Using clip´s with diffrent size or fps

pmikep wrote on 2/14/2017, 10:14 PM

I ran a similar test a few months ago with MEP 2016. MEP wants to expand the smaller images to fill the frame. But if you go into the size effect and set the size to Original, the smaller videos will shrink with black borders.

As far as frame rate goes, my clips also had different frame rates and MEP worked okay for me.

johnebaker wrote on 2/15/2017, 8:58 AM

Hi

Without knowing the spec of your computer - ADDED - I missed the image of the PC specs - see post below.

Assuming the choppiness you are seeing is in the preview monitor then it is possible that your PC is underpowered for HD and Full HD playback from the timeline.

In the projects settings do you have 'Automatically create proxy files' checked?

If not check it and allow MEP to create the proxy files - this may take a while depending on their length and number on the time-line.

Check the following settings for the preview monitor are also set - right click the lightning symbol bottom right of the preview monitor

The still images you posted are typically what you will see when converting interlaced video to de-interlaced (progressive) or vice versa and there is rapid movement across the screen, however this should not be seen on the exported video.

HTH

John EB

emmrecs wrote on 2/15/2017, 11:15 AM

Also, in addition to what JohnEB has written; looking at the first image you posted (part of the specs of your machine) I see that the version of your graphics driver is dated November 2015. Checking the AMD website I see that card is listed as "legacy" and that no driver updates are planned.

I wonder, unfair as that may be, whether your legacy (= no longer fully supported) card may simply not be capable of handling HD footage, even if you do follow John's advice and use proxy files?

johnebaker wrote on 2/15/2017, 12:06 PM

Hi

Having seen the computer spec image I think the computer is definitely underpowered for HD to achieve smooth playback in the preview monitor without the changes I mentioned above - even with these changes some effects and transitions which require hardware acceleration are going to be jerky.

The main concerns, for me, are the amount of RAM installed - not enough for HD, the fact you are running Windows 10 and as Jeff has pointed out the graphics drivers.

I suspect the drivers for the HD 7560 are the Windows 10 generic drivers - the last AMD version I can find for this card is 14.x.x.x.

I would consider at looking to add more RAM if slots are available and upgrade the graphics card to one which has Windows 10 drivers available - note that not all graphics card work well with MEP - somewhere in the forum is a topic with a list of cards which are known to work with MEP - currently I cannot find it.

John EB

miksva44 wrote on 2/15/2017, 4:59 PM

Thank´s for all the responses :)

It´s never the whole video that´s laggy, only certain clip´s usually the ones that´s smaller than the main videos setting 1920x1080. The part´s of the video that has clip´s with 1920x1080 29.97 fps are usually ok.

I don´t know what movie format´s I should stay away from, it seems only to be a problem when I mix different size´s clips.

miksva44 wrote on 3/8/2017, 12:14 AM

Hm, I don´t know what to make of this...But, when I use HD clips in "Windows movie maker" it looks ok. And it´s, again, never the whole video that´s bad only some parts, it doesn't seem to be just a "HD video" problem. Some HD clips look´s fine and it´s the finished video that´s bad not in the program preview. So I'm not sure what to do...Can I still make video´s that´s not HD or is it no point making any at all?

Got a newer driver via a different AMD program, after a lot of searching. Doesn't seem to change much doe.

I know my PC isn't the most powerful, but it seems to be common in this forum to always shit on user´s computer´s and defend the program no matter what.

johnebaker wrote on 3/8/2017, 4:33 AM

Hi

. . . . I know my PC isn't the most powerful, but it seems to be common in this forum to always shit on user´s computer´s . . . .

Powerful computer capabilities are essential for editing HD - the minimum specifications for software are the lowest spec that the program is usable.

If you want smooth playback in the preview monitor a minimum spec computer is very dependant on what is on the timeline, which effects transitions etc are being applied - even high spec computers can stutter with HD/4K with some collages and effects.

Other programs running, at the same time, on the computer can affect the performance of MEP.

. . . . never the whole video that´s bad only some parts . . . .

Which parts, do they have any effects, transitions, collages or picture in picture (PIP) applied to them?

A screen shot of the timeline where this happens would help - ensure all occupied tracks are shown.

If you can live with the stuttering, then exporting the final movie will not show any of the issues you see in the preview monitor.

HTH

John EB

browj2 wrote on 3/8/2017, 10:07 AM

@miksva44

What do you want to output to - DVD, BR, or MP4, WMV? If DVD, then set your project up for that resolution, not HD. Things scale down ok, but upscaling is sometimes a problem.

emmrecs wrote on 3/8/2017, 10:32 AM

@miksva44

Just to add to what others have written, your comment:

"..... it seems to be common in this forum to always shit on user´s computer´s and defend the program no matter what."

is more than a little unfair! If you do a search in the forum for posts from the likes of John EB, browj2, terrypin, Scenestealer, not to mention myself, you will find a whole raft of posts containing a very wide variety of "complaints", ranging from very poor customer service, to important features of the program not working as they should (viz. the on-going discussion of why HDR settings fail); you will see we are far from being defenders of the program "no matter what". We are users, just like you who, at times, find one or more MAGIX programs incredibly frustrating because the results of using them are most definitely NOT what we expect.

At the same time, your computer IS under-powered for HD playback and editing. If you look at my signature (below) you will see the spec of the computer I built just under a year ago; it handles Full HD without problem. I've never tried 4K (or higher), I suspect it might "stumble" a little on that, in which case I will find a workaround - perhaps proxy files - and/or I will post here and ask advice of others who ARE using such footage without problem. If the response is "your computer is not high enough spec." I will grind my teeth and accept this as one reality of the ever-changing world of computer technology: build it today, tomorrow it will be "old".

Jeff

miksva44 wrote on 3/22/2017, 7:24 AM

Thank´s for the responses and sorry for the late response from me.

I have given this some thought and because it doesn´t seem to be a problem in "windows movie maker" only "MEP" the only conclusion I can make now is that my Pc isn't powerful enough for "Mep", even if I stay away from HD.
So, I was unfair and would like to apologize.

Thank´s again for your responses. :)

Scenestealer wrote on 3/23/2017, 6:13 AM

Hi

I am not sure what you were playing the clips on when you took the screen shot but I assume it was on a player in Windows and not the preview screen in MEP and the frames were from your exported footage?

All 3 of your frames are exhibiting interlace artifacts and may indicate that they have a different field order to what MEP expects. I have seen this a few times in the past with mixed footage.

Mep has an automatic deinterlacer for preview so these clips were probably interlaced but are previewing OK but exporting wrong. Identify which clips in the timeline are the ones with the problem in your exported movie and then turn off "Automatic Interlace Processing" in MEP>Program settings>Video/Audio Tab, then preview the clips and you should see if the interlacing artifacts appear, that the clips are indeed interlaced.

If the field order (Top, or Bottom, Field First) is causing problems this can be changed in the Object Properties so that MEP can read it properly for the export.

Right click the problem clips and choose Object properties>Calculation of intermediate images Tab and see what is selected there. Try changing the selection in the lower box and try changing the 3 options in the upper box and export a short segment after each change and see if things improve.

Ss

miksva44 wrote on 4/5/2017, 2:25 PM

Again, thank´s for the response and sorry for the late response from my end, I didn't expect another answer. :)

The screens are from a video I just used as a test to show the problem. I usually use VLC to watch videos but I have tried "Windows media player".
Interlaced lines are usually not the problem, it´s the double screen thing, like the two heads in the screens. Almost every video I made can have parts that can have that and it looks very choppy. And again, if I use "Windows movie maker" it´s fine even if it´s HD clips. The problem is that you can´t do that much editing in "Windows movie maker". And in this forum my Pc´s low performance was pointed out. So, I have made the conclusion that my Pc isn't powerful enough for MEP.
But I can´t be sure, I just have to assume.

browj2 wrote on 4/5/2017, 2:33 PM

You didn't happen to put it in 3D mode did you?

emmrecs wrote on 4/5/2017, 2:39 PM

Interlaced lines are usually not the problem, it´s the double screen thing, like the two heads in the screens

But those "two heads" are typical interlace artifacts! Exactly as Scenestealer told you. You need to follow his advice on checking for the actual interlace properties of each of your clips.

Jeff

miksva44 wrote on 4/14/2017, 1:08 PM

Hm...I´ve tried every combination and it seems to change a little bit but it never goes away. If I make a test video with the same size setting´s as the clip it get´s better and if I pause I don´t get the double head thing but playback still look´s choppy in the exported video.

miksva44 wrote on 5/26/2017, 12:03 AM

It seems like I can make videos 1920x1080 if it´s mp4 format. Still, little choppy looking but the interlaced is gone.