VPX12 - No audio with captured file - MOV

browj2 wrote on 10/26/2020, 4:27 PM

With the following file, I get no audio, no second track, not just with VPX12, but MEP2021 and several older versions of both. the file was a video capture using Corel MultiCam Capture Lite which can capture more than one thing, like the screen and a webcam, with each being saved to separate files. In some of the older MEP/VPX, I get a second track for the audio but no sound. With VPX12, no second track is available. I tried Vegas 15, got the audio track but no audio.

I have Qt installed. The file opens fine in PinnacleStudio 23, which, of course, it should.

I ran it through Handbrake to get a working file.

Any ideas as to why this file doesn't work in VPX?

Here is the MediaInfo:

General
Complete name                            : B:\Videos\MultiCam Capture Lite\Test MultiCam Capture Lite1 (2)\Screen.mov
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : QuickTime
Codec ID                                 : qt   0000.02 (qt  )
File size                                : 169 MiB
Duration                                 : 32 s 500 ms
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 43.6 Mb/s
Encoded date                             : UTC 2020-10-26 16:43:25
Tagged date                              : UTC 2020-10-26 16:43:25

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : JPEG
Codec ID                                 : jpeg
Duration                                 : 32 s 500 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 43.4 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 30.000 FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.698
Stream size                              : 168 MiB (100%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2020-10-26 16:43:25
Tagged date                              : UTC 2020-10-26 16:43:25

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 32 s 484 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 128 kb/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 131 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 44.1 kHz
Frame rate                               : 43.066 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 508 KiB (0%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2020-10-26 16:43:25
Tagged date                              : UTC 2020-10-26 16:43:25

Thanks,

John CB

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johnebaker wrote on 10/26/2020, 4:49 PM

@browj2

Hi John

From the MediaInfo data there is nothing out of the ordinary - it looks like standard Quicktime JPEG encoding.

. . . . I ran it through Handbrake to get a working file . . . .

To what format ie video and audio codecs and sample rate for the audio?

Any chance of a sample file to play with?

I assume that Corel MultiCam Capture Lite can only export in the one format?

John EB

Lateral thinking can get things done!

VPX 12, MEP Premium 2021, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2021.

Running Windows 10 Professional 20H2 64bit on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, 3 x 2Tb internal HDD + 60GB internal SSD, + 6 ext backup HDDs, Sony FDR-AX53 Video camera, Contour HD 1080 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

browj2 wrote on 10/26/2020, 4:54 PM

@johnebaker

Hi John,

I'll do up a short video and post it on DropBox.

Not being a Handbrake user (first time), here is the output of the file that worked:

General
Complete name                            : O:\Handbrake\Screen-1.mp4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID                                 : mp42 (isom/iso2/avc1/mp41)
File size                                : 3.52 MiB
Duration                                 : 34 s 0 ms
Overall bit rate                         : 868 kb/s
Encoded date                             : UTC 2020-10-26 20:31:58
Tagged date                              : UTC 2020-10-26 20:31:58
Writing application                      : HandBrake 1.3.3 2020061300

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : Main@L4
Format settings                          : CABAC / 4 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames        : 4 frames
Codec ID                                 : avc1
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                                 : 34 s 0 ms
Bit rate                                 : 771 kb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 30.000 FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.012
Stream size                              : 3.12 MiB (89%)
Writing library                          : x264 core 157 r2935 545de2f
Encoding settings                        : cabac=1 / ref=2 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x1:0x111 / me=hex / subme=6 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=0 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=12 / lookahead_threads=2 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=1 / keyint=300 / keyint_min=30 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=30 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=22.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / vbv_maxrate=20000 / vbv_bufsize=25000 / crf_max=0.0 / nal_hrd=none / filler=0 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
Encoded date                             : UTC 2020-10-26 20:31:58
Tagged date                              : UTC 2020-10-26 20:31:58
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.470 System B/G
Codec configuration box                  : avcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 33 s 995 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 88.3 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 44.1 kHz
Frame rate                               : 43.066 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 366 KiB (10%)
Title                                    : Stereo
Language                                 : English
Default                                  : Yes
Alternate group                          : 1
Encoded date                             : UTC 2020-10-26 20:31:58
Tagged date                              : UTC 2020-10-26 20:31:58

John CB

John C.B.

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browj2 wrote on 10/26/2020, 5:01 PM

@johnebaker

Here is the link to the two files created during screen capture. The webcam is captured at a lower resolution.

John CB

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CubeAce wrote on 10/26/2020, 5:13 PM

@browj2 @johnebaker

Hi John. John.

Please excuse my ignorance in these matters but shouldn't there be reference frames visible in the original file?

Ray.

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johnebaker wrote on 10/26/2020, 5:21 PM

@browj2

Hi

Thanks John, downloading now - will look at them tomorrow it is getting late here.

John EB

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Running Windows 10 Professional 20H2 64bit on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, 3 x 2Tb internal HDD + 60GB internal SSD, + 6 ext backup HDDs, Sony FDR-AX53 Video camera, Contour HD 1080 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

browj2 wrote on 10/26/2020, 5:48 PM

Please excuse my ignorance in these matters but shouldn't there be reference frames visible in the original file?

Ray.

@CubeAce

Hi Ray,

What do you mean by "reference frames?"

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CubeAce wrote on 10/26/2020, 7:00 PM

Hi John.

Similar to your conversion Data where you have

Format settings                          : CABAC / 4 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames        : 4 frames

To normally go along with the

Format settings, GOP                     : M=3, N=30

or similar recorded data that is missing in both file sets.

Ray.

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johnebaker wrote on 10/27/2020, 4:41 AM

@CubeAce

Hi Ray

. . . . shouldn't there be reference frames visible in the original file . . . .

The original is Motion JPEG encoded - there are no reference frames as each frame is an I frame (reference frame).

John EB

Lateral thinking can get things done!

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Running Windows 10 Professional 20H2 64bit on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, 3 x 2Tb internal HDD + 60GB internal SSD, + 6 ext backup HDDs, Sony FDR-AX53 Video camera, Contour HD 1080 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

johnebaker wrote on 10/27/2020, 6:21 AM

Hi John

With QT installed both video clips Screen.mov and Source 1.mov import into VPX with sound, however Screen.mov took about 40 secs to import, screen1 was there in seconds !

I assume the audio in Screen is meant to be silent until 'Lets go' ?

Bernadette appears to be reluctant to go with you having to tell her 5 times 😀.

Odd thing when looking at the files in Windows File Explorer, screen.mov had a preview image, Source 1 none, after installing QT Source 1 preview image appeared !

BTW I like the French doors behind you.

John EB

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Lateral thinking can get things done!

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Running Windows 10 Professional 20H2 64bit on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, 3 x 2Tb internal HDD + 60GB internal SSD, + 6 ext backup HDDs, Sony FDR-AX53 Video camera, Contour HD 1080 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

johnebaker wrote on 10/27/2020, 6:55 AM

@browj2

Hi John

Part 2:

Set up the tracks as they should ie stacked, resized Source 1 (620 x 349) to be in one corner and observed the following:

Preview playback caching is slow, playback is sluggish with audio out of sync with video which was skipping frames.

Exporting to MP4 h.264 same resolution and frame rate etc, with VPX set to High Performance GPU - had no HWA and took 3m 28 s.

With VPX set to use the UHD630 got HWA however took 6m 24s.

In both cases CPU never got above 17% and with the UHD 630 usage was hovering between 11 and 17 %.

Did/do you get similar results?

Looking up issues with MJPEG encoded video it would appear the QT decoder is not particularly fast which would account for the initial long load time and export times.

John EB

Lateral thinking can get things done!

VPX 12, MEP Premium 2021, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2021.

Running Windows 10 Professional 20H2 64bit on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, 3 x 2Tb internal HDD + 60GB internal SSD, + 6 ext backup HDDs, Sony FDR-AX53 Video camera, Contour HD 1080 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

browj2 wrote on 10/27/2020, 7:29 AM

@johnebaker

Hi John EB,

Thanks for checking. I'll install on my Surface Pro and try it there.

I get thumbnails for both videos.

Below is the set up. You can see VPX in the background with the videos on tracks 1 and 3. They were recorded simultaneously by MultiCam Capture Lite, so one video does not make sense without the other.

The audio in Screen is whatever is playing - computer audio. In Source, it's from the webcam or, in my case, from my microphone connected to the external sound card (M-Audio M-Track). For someone doing this type of thing, it's a great program as you have one file for each part - screen and webcam.

Any thoughts on why the audio does not show up on my desktop computer?

Ah yes, the French doors. I wonder if that will be a problem when we sell the house, as a new owner will likely want to use my office as a bedroom, it's normal use. Nathalie's office also has French doors, but more solid than mine.

I'll get back as soon as I have QT installed on the Surface Pro.

EDIT: just saw your post while I was doing the above. The files are very slow on my desktop; I thought that it might be because of the old machine.

John CB

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browj2 wrote on 10/27/2020, 8:16 AM

@johnebaker

Hi John EB,

I installed QuickTime on my Surface Pro 4, rebooted, loaded VPX and the files and still did not get the audio. Playback is sluggish, and that is being generous. CPU hit a maximum of 20% for about a second.

You must have something that I do not.

Given the difficulties with playback (and the audio), it would be best to run the files through Handbrake for use with VPX/MEP, or use the other program.

Thanks,

John CB

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CubeAce wrote on 10/27/2020, 8:29 AM

@browj2

Hi John.

Have downloaded your files on my lunch break. Will have to test later this evening.

Will let you know how it goes later.

Ray.

Windows 10 Enterprise. Version 20H2 OS build 19042.602. Direct X 12. Bios version 1401 latest hardware updates for Western Digital hard drives. Page file space 4.75GB.

Asus ROG STRIX Z390-F Gaming motherboard Rev 1.xx with Supreme FX inboard audio using the S1220A code.

Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU with Intel DCH 630 Graphics .Driver version 27.20.100.8935, with 32GB of 2133MHz Corsair DDR4 ram.

1000 watt EVGA modular power supply.

1 x 250GB SSD D: drive for current project. 1 x 320gig Toshiba M2.1 drive for Operating System. + x2 WD BLACK 2TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives.I for internal backup and 1 for Library clips/sounds/music/stills. Total 8TB of three external WD drives for backup.

Gigabyte NVIDIA G Force GTX 1650 Super . nVidia driver version 27.21.14.5206 : 1280 CUDA cores Direct X 12. Memory interface 128bit Memory bandwidth 192.03GB/s 4GB of dedicated GDDR6 video memory, shared system memory 16307MB PCi Express x16 Gen3.

Running MEP Premium 20.0.1.65. and VPX 17.0.3.68 (UDP3)

M Audio Axiom AIR Mini MIDI keyboard Ver 5.10.0.3507

CubeAce wrote on 10/27/2020, 5:27 PM

@browj2

Hi John.

Like John EB it took ages for Windows to show the second file in Explorer.

Both files displayed correctly within VPX but no audio. This was not done by importing the files into the project.

Both files played correctly in Film & TV.

Ray.

Windows 10 Enterprise. Version 20H2 OS build 19042.602. Direct X 12. Bios version 1401 latest hardware updates for Western Digital hard drives. Page file space 4.75GB.

Asus ROG STRIX Z390-F Gaming motherboard Rev 1.xx with Supreme FX inboard audio using the S1220A code.

Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU with Intel DCH 630 Graphics .Driver version 27.20.100.8935, with 32GB of 2133MHz Corsair DDR4 ram.

1000 watt EVGA modular power supply.

1 x 250GB SSD D: drive for current project. 1 x 320gig Toshiba M2.1 drive for Operating System. + x2 WD BLACK 2TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives.I for internal backup and 1 for Library clips/sounds/music/stills. Total 8TB of three external WD drives for backup.

Gigabyte NVIDIA G Force GTX 1650 Super . nVidia driver version 27.21.14.5206 : 1280 CUDA cores Direct X 12. Memory interface 128bit Memory bandwidth 192.03GB/s 4GB of dedicated GDDR6 video memory, shared system memory 16307MB PCi Express x16 Gen3.

Running MEP Premium 20.0.1.65. and VPX 17.0.3.68 (UDP3)

M Audio Axiom AIR Mini MIDI keyboard Ver 5.10.0.3507