Why does audio drop during last frames of imported AVCHD video?

jmcguire wrote on 10/1/2012, 9:02 PM

I love the idea of directly importing AVCHD video from my Sony cam but when I do the last 15 or so frames is missing audio.  I am importing a 45 min. wedding video so the program cuts is auto. into 3 different scenes.  The end of the 1st scene is missing audio and then 2nd added scene has some black in front. Why?

 

 

jmcguire

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cpc000cpc wrote on 10/2/2012, 12:41 AM

Sorry not an immediate answer, but a google search for "AVCHD" "missing audio" got nearly 33,000 hits with prominent names like Adobe Premier and Apple iMovie so the problem is by no means limited to MEP. Perhaps you can find something trhere related to your particular camera model etc.

Scenestealer wrote on 10/2/2012, 5:22 AM

Not much detail to go on there but try "Create Frametable New" - Select all scenes and Rt. Click video track in clip area and select the command. You should only try this if you have not done any prior editing or trimming of the clips ie. right after import. Otherwise make a backup of the project before experimenting.

Conversely, it may be that the "create frame table during import" check box is ticked in the Program settings>Video/Audio tab and generally AVCHD does not like this - contrary to what I am suggesting above - but broadly speaking it will either fix it or wreck your project - so take care. Untick this option and start a new project and reimport the footage and see if it looks better.

The Frametable recreation worked well with MPEG2 files from older camcorders but is more likely to cause the  problems you are seeing with AVCHD, than fix them .

Ss

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johnebaker wrote on 10/2/2012, 7:19 AM

Hi

Which Sony Handycam are you using?

I had the same problem with my older Handicam as SS has said was cured using the Create new frametable option.

I have a Sony AVCHD camera and importing the files into MEP 17, MX  and 2013 with the Create frame table option checked and do not get any black frames or missing sound.

Are you importing one continuous 45 min video clip and allowing MEP to split it or are these three seperate video clips?

John

 

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jmcguire wrote on 10/2/2012, 11:18 AM

Thanks

I have a Sony Handycam HDR-XR520. I am using latest MEP 2013.

I originally imported entire 45min scene and MEP cut it for me with stated results.

So I proceeded to Divide the scene manually within the camera but upon import, MEP still gave me the same 3 clips that it had already cut (after I deleted them from timeline and folder). Very strange!

Next I tried importing my manually divided scenes via Sony's PMB software per usual.  But once again, MEP did not recognize my splits, once again importing the same 3 scenes it had auto cut before. Arrgh

Finally, I imported the entire 45min scene to MEP from PMB (which I had already imported as a safeguard earlier) and it worked!

Seems to be something to do with the AVCHD getting chopped automatically.  Or something to this frametable theory...

jmcguire wrote on 10/2/2012, 12:34 PM

Okay. I tried the feature Create New FrameTable and it did fix the ending audio from the first split scene; however, it did not fix the second split scene. In fact, it creates a gap where I cannot place the 2nd scene. iow, I am allowed to move the 2nd scene over the first to create a crossfade but I cannot butt the two scenes together, therefore, defeating the purpose of MEP dividing large videos in the first place.

 

 

 

Jeff

johnebaker wrote on 10/2/2012, 2:32 PM

Hi

I have the XR520EV as well and have no problems with missing audio when importing the AVCHD video or black frames at the beginning or end of video clips, with or without the Create frame table option set in the program settings.

I do have more questions though:-

   What is the reason for splitting the video into 3 scenes? 

   When you get the extra black frames added can you edited them out or is this not possible?

  Can you give us more detail on how you get the video from camera to MEP.

  Can you post a screenshot of the timeline in the area around the split.

Thanks

John

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jmcguire wrote on 10/2/2012, 2:40 PM

Actually, MEP split the scenes. Apparently it didn't like the original 45 minute length of my AVCHD clip?

I can edit the black out but its a moot point because once I create the new frametable, a non-negotiable gap apears between the 1st and 2nd split scene, which cannot be bridged.

And the new frametable must be done on the 1st clip in order to retrieve the missing audio.

I may have time to do the screenshot later...but other duties are calling this evening.

 

Thanks!

Jeff

johnebaker wrote on 10/2/2012, 3:11 PM

Hi Jeff

....Apparently it didn't like the original 45 minute length of my AVCHD clip? ....

That is an odd behaviour except having seen your posts about recording and the quality selection for later DVD production. I have a suspiscion of what may be going on but first I need some detail:-

Please describe step by step how you get the video clip from camera to MEP.

Are the videos on both cameras hard drives or on memory cards?

Thanks

John

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emmrecs wrote on 10/3/2012, 1:46 PM

Sorry to "butt in" on this slightly, but..

The "3 scenes" that were part of the original question about total footage of 45 minutes clearly equate to 15 minutes each.

On my camera, a Canon HG20 at its maximum quality, 15 minutes roughly equates to a 2Gb file, which is the maximum single file that can be recorded to the camera's internal Hard Drive (apparently it has to be formatted as FAT32 according to Canon.)    Could this be the reason for your "3 files" since, presumably, being a Wedding Video, you were recording continuously?

I had a similar problem several years ago when I needed to video a drumming workshop at the school where I then worked.  The whole event lasted 1.5 hours and the camera was running continuously.  The resulting 6 files were a real pain to "join", but after I had finished the DVD and was discussing this problem on another video editing forum I was pointed to a free utility called "tsMuxer" which can, apparently, "rejoin" such files.  I have never needed to use it because I have never completed such a continuous recording since then but I wonder whether it would be worth experimenting with in this case?  (Just make sure you are using copies of your files to test this out, not the originals.)

Jeff

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jmcguire wrote on 10/3/2012, 2:01 PM

Thanks emmrecs!

Just for the record fellas, I have a solid workaround using Sony's propriety PMB import software. It does import the entire .m2t (approx 45 min).  Then I succesfully imported the entire scene into MEP and am editing it.

 

 

 

Jeff M

johnebaker wrote on 10/3/2012, 2:59 PM

Hi

Interesting point Jeff - however the longest video I have recorded was just under 1 hour long and it was in a single mts file on the camera hard drive.

However I would suspect this is not a good comparison as the amount of movement was minimal - sunset recorded for experimenting with speeding it up so I had a sunset in 5 mins - so the compression in the file would be very high.

@ Jeff     FAT32 file size limit is 4Gb, FAT16 has a 2Gb limit - Canon must be doing some file size limiting!!

@ JeffM     when you connect your XR520 to the computer and browse the camera hard drive with Windows Explorer do you see three discrete mts filesfor the wedding or one?

John

 

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jmcguire wrote on 10/3/2012, 9:05 PM

@John   I'll be ******.  It shows 3 .mt2 files even though there is only one on the cam hdd.

1st is 2.075616 GB

2nd  is 2.075040 GB

3rd is 2.043168

 

So MEP imports with the file size limitations but Sony's own PMB does not.

Conclusions?

 

Jeff M

Scenestealer wrote on 10/4/2012, 5:17 AM

Hi Guys

Now that you mention it I vaguely remember a reference somewhere to the camera software using metafiles to recreate the whole file on import.

Peter

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