Basic functionality: Any improvements in the latest version of VPX?

Galaxy wrote on 11/24/2021, 8:53 PM

Regarding basic functionality in Video Pro X, I saw a forum post on this topic recently, but my concerns are somewhat different. It's not that I'm confused by the user interface; it's that I find the basic functionality is not very efficient. A lot of basic tasks are more difficult than they should be. In that respect, VPX is not professional, despite the "pro" in its name. I keep watching the update announcements for improvements in this regard, but all I see are fancy new features that I don't care about. So I've never bought an update, and I'm still using version 16.0.2.

For example, here are some specifics:

  1. On the timeline, when I copy and paste an object, it sometimes appears in an unexpected location. I would like to be able to paste a copied object onto a specific track at a specific location.
  2. It seems undo is not available for all operations, so sometimes when I press Ctrl-Z, unexpected things happen.
  3. The Timestretch feature is hard to control with my mouse. I wish numeric input were possible.
  4. Audio object volume is hard to control. I wish numeric input were possible.
  5. Keyframe operation is unreliable and inefficient, so I avoid using it.
  6. Coloring objects requires too many mouse clicks, so I avoid coloring objects.
  7. In the Effects tab, I wish the text input box were expandable, so that I could see more of the text I am entering or editing.
  8. [Edit: Ignore this point.] When I am typing text, I wish I could change the position and size of the text box without having to first go to the size / position area.
  9. I wish I could attach markers to objects, so if there is point of particular interest in the audio or video, I could keep track of its location, even if I move the object around.
  10. I wish I could apply a timestretch operation to several objects at once.

Have any of those features been fixed or added since version 16?

Thanks.

 

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browj2 wrote on 11/24/2021, 10:32 PM

@Galaxy

Hi,

Now at VPX13 v.19.0.1.123. You are at v.16 which would be VPX10. A lot has changed since VPX10.

Too much for me for one sitting, but here goes.

  1. Yes. You can now click in the track header to turn it on (blue) or rather, select it. When you paste, it will be placed on the selected track at the playback marker location. What happens on that track will depend on the mouse mode. Also, if you select a track and then import an object, it will be placed on that track at the location of the playback marker.
  2. I haven't noticed Undo not working for certain things. Anything specific? As an aside, if you right-click on Undo or Redo, you get a listing of recent things done, or undone.
  3. I presume that you mean Timestretch for Audio. I don't recall what the interface looked like. I've posted it below. You can use combinations of Ctrl, Shift, etc. with the mouse wheel to make small movements. You can also use the Stretch mode and do timestretching directly on the timeline. I don't recall if the Stretch mode was in VPX10.
  4. I don't have any problem moving the slider up and down in 0.1 db increments. Alternatively, turn on the object volume curve and adjust it using the volume slider under Audio Effects or type in the value. It's a percent, with 100 as the original volume, 0 as off.
  5. I have never found keyframing to be unreliable or inefficient. Perhaps you need to review how it works in detail. That said, there were some teething problems with Size/Position/Rotation keyframing in VPX 13, but they seem to have been resolved.
  6. Colouring objects: Two ways - 1. Open the object properties (Ctrl+E) click on the object colour button to change the colour. You can set the values in detail HSV or RGB or select from the chart and sliders; 2. Right-click the object, mouse over Object color to open the popdown with a list of colours.
  7. Well, It is quite large and has a vertical scroll bar. However, one should do the editing in the text box of the preview window because that shows what the final result will be as you are putting in and editing the text. See the second image below.
  8. You can't resize the text box while you are typing as the text box changes size to accommodate the amount of text w.r.t. font size. You can't go to Size/Position/Rotation (new) until you have closed the text box. So, you have to close the text box and then you can resize and move the text box on the Preview Monitor - even in VPX10. You do not have to go to Size/Position. If the text in the Preview Monitor is not on with the dashed line, make sure to first select the text object, then click on the text in the Preview Monitor to turn on the dashed outline to change the size and position - still without going to the Size/Postion effects commands.
  9. You can place a Snap Marker at one or more locations on an object. Snap Markers stay with the object. There is no text with a Snap Marker.
  10. Timestretching - audio, video or both? Use the Stretch Mode but for one object at a time. I don't think it would be feasible to do this to multiple objects as they change length on the timeline which could lead to unwanted effects - like overlapping. How would you handle increasing the duration of 2 adjacent objects? The beginning stays put but the end point moves.

As for your comment about "In that respect, VPX is not professional, despite the "pro" in its name," I don't think that you are going to find easier ways in other so-call Pro programs, but I am fairly sure that you can find harder ways. BTW, semantics, but a program cannot be professional, only the person using it.

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Galaxy wrote on 11/25/2021, 4:12 AM

@browj2, That's a very helpful answer. Thanks.

I have some comments and questions:

1. Selectable tracks seem a useful improvement.

2. I'm glad to hear the Undo function works reliably for you, but it does not work consistently for me in version 16. Anyway, thanks for the undo history tip.

3. In the time stretch window, Shift-drag slows down the knob rotation, which really helps. Thanks for the suggestion. Fyi, holding the Ctrl key makes no difference in my version.

4: Thanks for explaining how to enter a numeric value for the volume of an object. But the method you described is not very efficient. For example, assume the user is currently editing text. To change the volume of an audio object, the user has to:

  • Select the audio object
  • Click to expand Effects / Audio Effects.
  • Click on General
  • Double click in the volume field.
  • Enter the desired value
  • Press enter

It would be more efficient if the user could

  • Double click the volume handle on the object
  • Enter the desired volume.
  • Press enter.

This kind of efficiency really matters for anyone -- professional or not -- who values their time and wants to make videos quickly. Magix developers should do more to help users save time with basic functions like this.

6: Changing the color of an object that is not already selected requires 6 clicks. That's not efficient. There should be a color palette always visible, so you could click the object, and then click the palette. Two clicks, done. That's how it's done in Cubase, and it's very efficient. Magix software developers should count the number of clicks and keyboard strokes needed to execute each operation, and minimize them.

7. I see your point: Edit the text in the preview window. But then what is the purpose of the text box in the Effects menu / Title Editing? If it has a purpose, then it should be resizable. That would be more convenient than having to drag a scroll bar. Do you know what purpose the Title Editing text box serves?

8. My point #8 was copied in haste from notes I wrote about another program. Sorry for the confusion.

The VPX functionality I was actually looking for is available with Shift-resize. I stumbled on it just now. In Title Editing, Shift-resize enlarges the text box in the preview monitor and simultaneously increases the font size.

9. Thanks for pointing out the snap markers. They're a useful feature, but they would be more useful if they could be labelled, right? The lack of labels is additional evidence that improving basic functionality is not a high priority for Magix.

10. Regarding time-stretching of multiple objects: It should be feasible to implement. The developers just need to make the software detect any overlaps during the stretch operation, and then constrain the stretch at that point.

I admit, my knowledge of VPX is not deep, mainly because I avoid using it. That's because I find the basic functionality inefficient, and the developers seem more focused on flashy new features. I'm not a pro myself, but I do value my time, and I prefer efficient, reliable software.

Magix uses the word "Pro" in the name of this software, so the onus is on them to meet that standard.

That said, I do appreciate your helpful suggestions.

I suppose the selectable tracks might be worth the price of an upgrade, but I've read that the current version of VPX is still quite buggy. What's your opinion?

 

johnebaker wrote on 11/25/2021, 5:35 AM

@Galaxy

Hi

To add to @browj2 comments and referring to the item numbers in your last post:

4. . . . . For example, assume the user is currently editing text. To change the volume of an audio object . . . .

With all the video editors I have used you have to complete or abandon the current task, such as adding a title, before switching to another.

6. . . . . Changing the color of an object that is not already selected requires 6 clicks . . . .

In VPX 13 preset colours are already assigned to object types, changing them is 2 clicks for a default colour - right click on the object, hover over Object colour, left click colour from second pop-up see image below.

I cannot remember if VPX 10 has the same method.

7. . . . . what purpose the Title Editing text box serves? . . . . .

IMO it is a secondary display.

10 . . . . . Regarding time-stretching of multiple objects: It should be feasible to implement. The developers just need to make the software detect any overlaps during the stretch operation, and then constrain the stretch at that point. . . . .

It is not a simple as that, with a single track project that may be feasible, however for multi track and more complex projects, see example below, the decision on what moves or not is complicated by items such as collages, Picture in Picture effects, audio tracks etc.


 

. . . . . Magix uses the word "Pro" in the name of this software, so the onus is on them to meet that standard. . . . .

Who is defining 'that standard' ?

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browj2 wrote on 11/25/2021, 9:33 AM

@Galaxy

Hi,

Out of curiosity, do you use the Project Temp Folder in VPX? If so, how?

I use it most of the time.

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Galaxy wrote on 11/25/2021, 11:59 AM

With all the video editors I have used you have to complete or abandon the current task, such as adding a title, before switching to another.

Yes, in both scenarios I described, the current task must be completed first. Still, the second method would require fewer clicks:

  • Double click the volume handle on the object
  • Enter the desired volume.
  • Press enter.

Done. It should be that simple.

6. . . . . Changing the color of an object that is not already selected requires 6 clicks . . . .

In VPX 13 preset colours are already assigned to object types, changing them is 2 clicks for a default colour - right click on the object, hover over Object colour, left click colour from second pop-up see image below.

I cannot remember if VPX 10 has the same method.

That's an improvement over VPX 10. However, secondary pop-up menus inevitably require careful mouse movement, which takes time. Consider this: If you perform that color-change task 100 times in VPX, and time yourself, and then do the same color-change task in Cubase 100 times, you will find the Cubase color palette much faster, and it requires less effort. It's simply easier and faster to click on a button than to call up a secondary menu.

As an experiment, I performed a simple task in VPX: I clicked on an audio object and then clicked the Play button. I did that ten times, and timed myself. It took 25 seconds.

Then I did another task 10 times: I right-clicked on an audio object and selected an item in a secondary menu. That took 55 seconds. That's twice as long. So even the improved color-change method is less efficient than it should be, because it involves using a secondary menu.

Try the above experiment and see for yourself.

Magix needs to pay more attention to inefficiencies like these, and eliminate them. Nobody likes to waste their time. I for one would use VPX more often if it were more efficient.

But yes, the method you described is an improvement over VPX 10. Thanks for the tip.

It is not a simple as that, with a single track project that may be feasible, however for multi track and more complex projects, see example below, the decision on what moves or not is complicated by items such as collages, Picture in Picture effects, audio tracks etc.

Granted, in some situations, the challenges might be insurmountable. You've mentioned collages, picture-in-picture etc. But the software could detect when those elements are present, and when they are present, simply disable multi-track stretching.

Who is defining 'that standard' ?

The competition.

 

Galaxy wrote on 11/25/2021, 12:01 PM

Out of curiosity, do you use the Project Temp Folder in VPX? If so, how?

I use it most of the time.

John CB

@browj2 Yes I use that, but only as needed. Is there some special use you had in mind?

 

browj2 wrote on 11/25/2021, 3:39 PM

@Galaxy

Hi,

Yes, in both scenarios I described, the current task must be completed first. Still, the second method would require fewer clicks:

  • Double click the volume handle on the object
  • Enter the desired volume.
  • Press enter.

Done. It should be that simple.

You have put this with what John EB said about "complete or abandon the current task, such as adding a title, before switching to another" which is not the same thing as adjusting the volume curve. Thus, the context is lost.

4. Object Volume Adjustment

  • Double click the volume handle on the object
  • Enter the desired volume.
  • Press enter.

I thought that you wanted efficiency. Just click on the volume handle and slide volume up or down as I mentioned. It is buttery smooth and in 0.1dB increments. No need to type or press Enter.

I also gave you an alternative method using the Audio Effects volume slider and box. When you are doing audio you should be on that effect anyways. Just type a value in the box, enter.

However, changing the volume cannot be a copied effect. Hmm. Something for the wish list?

6. Colouring objects - why not just select a bunch, right-click, select a colour from the pop-down. Done.

I think that what you are looking for is another button on the menu for object colour. Won't happen. It's not something done often enough or by enough users, and would add another button to the toolbar. Where would this stop? Someone else would want another button, someone else another button, etc. thus cluttering up the toolbar with seldom used buttons. Then the complaints would come in about a cluttered toolbar.

On the other hand, it would be a good idea to be able to add buttons to the toolbar. Something for the wish list.

Do you also use Track Colours?

Project Temp Folder

Yes I use that, but only as needed. Is there some special use you had in mind?

Just asking. But, what do you mean "only as needed?" What do you need if for and when?

I put in things like pointers already sized and appropriately named. When I need to add another one, It's easy to get it from the PTF. The same for other things, like music. Things that I use often can be in a PTF, saved and imported into other projects and imported onto the timeline, if needed.

I sometimes build up a project by importing photos and videos from many different locations into various folders in the PTF and then inserting them onto the timeline from there.

Using the PTF replaces creating takes. Just add the object to the PTF in the root or another folder and it's there - doesn't need to be on the timeline.

Sometimes, I rename the files in the PTF for use and reuse. Filenames like "20111231170522.mts" are not really user-friendly. And/or I add descriptions. Of course, this depends on what I am doing.

There is more, but this gives you some ideas since you are looking for efficiency and there is a tool to help.

PRO Software

VPX has multiple timelines. You can import another project into the current project. You can do nesting - using a second movie as an object in another movie. Need to change it? Just switch to the other movie, make the change and the object in the main movie is updated. Vegas, the "pro" software, can only nest an external project into the current one and they are proud of this capability. No multiple timelines/movies.

Do you use multiple movies, import another project or movie into the current one to get access to its resources, use nesting?

I think that we have demonstrated that almost everything that you have mentioned has either been improved or can be done more efficiently differently. There are other new tools that we have not discussed, like "Split and Trim."

There is always room for improvement. If there wasn't, Magix would go out of business once everyone who wanted it had bought the software.

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Galaxy wrote on 11/25/2021, 6:13 PM

@Galaxy

Hi,

Yes, in both scenarios I described, the current task must be completed first. Still, the second method would require fewer clicks:

  • Double click the volume handle on the object
  • Enter the desired volume.
  • Press enter.

Done. It should be that simple.

You have put this with what John EB said about "complete or abandon the current task, such as adding a title, before switching to another" which is not the same thing as adjusting the volume curve. Thus, the context is lost.

I'm just looking for efficient ways to work. I've offered a suggestion, but there seems to be some resistance to my idea. Do you actually understand my suggestion? Have you actually counted the clicks and keyboard strokes to see which approach is more efficient? Of course, implementing my suggestion would not require removing the current functionality. This is not a "zero sum game". ;-)

4. Object Volume Adjustment

  • Double click the volume handle on the object
  • Enter the desired volume.
  • Press enter.

I thought that you wanted efficiency. Just click on the volume handle and slide volume up or down as I mentioned. It is buttery smooth and in 0.1dB increments. No need to type or press Enter.

Generally, I'm comfortable using a mouse or a keyboard, but of the two, I typically prefer my keyboard. This is especially true with respect to the volume slider, which I find particularly awkward. In contrast, you prefer using your mouse. So it seems a matter of personal preference. I think Magix should accommodate both preferences.

I also gave you an alternative method using the Audio Effects volume slider and box. When you are doing audio you should be on that effect anyways. Just type a value in the box, enter.

Again, have you counted the clicks and key strokes? Start from the same baseline and count them, and you'll see that my suggestion is very efficient.

However, changing the volume cannot be a copied effect. Hmm. Something for the wish list?

6. Colouring objects - why not just select a bunch, right-click, select a colour from the pop-down. Done.

I think that what you are looking for is another button on the menu for object colour. Won't happen. It's not something done often enough or by enough users, and would add another button to the toolbar. Where would this stop? Someone else would want another button, someone else another button, etc. thus cluttering up the toolbar with seldom used buttons. Then the complaints would come in about a cluttered toolbar.

Cubase Pro 11 solves the clutter problem by allowing users to select which buttons and toolbars to display. Magix should do likewise.

Alternatively, CorelDraw X5 automatically displays only the toolbars needed at any given time. That approach could work well for VPX too.

On the other hand, it would be a good idea to be able to add buttons to the toolbar. Something for the wish list.

Do you also use Track Colours?

Project Temp Folder

Yes I use that, but only as needed. Is there some special use you had in mind?

Just asking. But, what do you mean "only as needed?" What do you need if for and when?

I put in things like pointers already sized and appropriately named. When I need to add another one, It's easy to get it from the PTF. The same for other things, like music. Things that I use often can be in a PTF, saved and imported into other projects and imported onto the timeline, if needed.

I sometimes build up a project by importing photos and videos from many different locations into various folders in the PTF and then inserting them onto the timeline from there.

Using the PTF replaces creating takes. Just add the object to the PTF in the root or another folder and it's there - doesn't need to be on the timeline.

Sometimes, I rename the files in the PTF for use and reuse. Filenames like "20111231170522.mts" are not really user-friendly. And/or I add descriptions. Of course, this depends on what I am doing.

There is more, but this gives you some ideas since you are looking for efficiency and there is a tool to help.

Very interesting ideas. Do you happen to know of any video that demonstrates this workflow?

PRO Software

VPX has multiple timelines. You can import another project into the current project. You can do nesting - using a second movie as an object in another movie. Need to change it? Just switch to the other movie, make the change and the object in the main movie is updated. Vegas, the "pro" software, can only nest an external project into the current one and they are proud of this capability. No multiple timelines/movies.

Do you use multiple movies, import another project or movie into the current one to get access to its resources, use nesting?

I think that we have demonstrated that almost everything that you have mentioned has either been improved or can be done more efficiently differently. There are other new tools that we have not discussed, like "Split and Trim."

From my perspective, here's how I rate the improvements and your suggestions:

1. Selectable tracks: Excellent, from what you've told me. 10/10.

2. The Undo function: It doesn't work reliably in VPX 10. You seem satisfied with how it works in VPX 13. I'll take your word for it.

3. Shift-drag to slow down knob rotation for speed and pitch: This should help. I'd still prefer numeric entry to control pitch and speed. So 6/10.

4: How to enter a numeric value to set the volume of an audio object: 6/10. I have suggested a more efficient approach that could be implemented in addition to the existing functionality.

5: We didn't discuss keyframes, but I would need to test that again to more precisely document the quirks I have encountered.

6: Changing the color of an object: 6/10. A color palette would be more efficient, and preferable, if it could be hidden by users who don't want it.

7. Editing text in the preview monitor should work. I'll try it and see.

8. In Effects / Title Editing, using Shift-resize will enlarge the text box and the font size.

9. Snap markers: 8/10. Good feature, but they should have labels.

10. Time-stretching of multiple objects: Not solved.

Overall, the most important thing Magix can do is listen to its customers with an open mind. Customers that leave or don't upgrade typically don't explain why. I've explained my reasons, and you've provided some very helpful suggestions. But I encourage you to keep your mind open to my suggestions too, as I am sure they have merit.

Finally, I've read that the current version of VPX is still quite buggy. What's your opinion?

browj2 wrote on 11/25/2021, 7:04 PM

@Galaxy

Hi,

Have you actually counted the clicks and keyboard strokes to see which approach is more efficient?

No, because most of the things that you mentioned that require repeat clicks are things that most users don't do much of, as far as I know. Saving a few seconds here and there may save a minute or two out of a 30 hour project, at least for me. Of course, one has to know what to do, otherwise time is spent looking for an effect or feature.

Project Temp Folder - it's on my list, unfortunately way down on the list of tutorials to do. I should bump it up. As it is, I'm way behind on everything.

3. Do you really know the setting that you want for speed - BPM for audio, speed for video? For pitch, see my image and you'll see that there are +/- buttons. Magix should do this for BPM.

I have mentioned the stretch command. This allows you to drag the right end (left as well) left or right to change the speed. I use this as sometimes I want a video clip to be a certain duration (travel animation) like having it end at another clip, so, I can just drag the end and it snaps with the other object. The speed has been changed.

Is the stretch mode in VPX10?

4. Do you really know which volume setting that you want? Or is it trial and change?

You can suggest your addition to Magix.

5. Please test the keyframing and give us concrete examples to try out on the latest version. If there is still anything not up to par, we want it fixed.

6. Again, suggest this to Magix, but along with adding user buttons to the tool bar, please.

7. Editing text in the text box in the Preview Monitor is the only way to use multiple fonts, font sizes and colours in the same text box. Try it. Put in 2 words. Highlight the first word, give it a colour. Highlight the second word, change the font, size and colour. You'll get both.

8. No labels on snap markers please! Snap markers are also used to put automatically be put on a music audio for snapping to beats/for cutting to the beat.

I would prefer a new type of marker - Object Markers with labels - that stay with the object. Suggest this to Magix.

Magix is not here, so you have to raise a ticket and make your suggestions. They are always looking for new things to add. Then, conscript some members here to raise tickets with the same suggestions. Priority is given to the squeaky wheels.

VPX13 - just managed to update to the newest patch so I haven't tested it yet. From the patch list, it looks like they've taken care of the major problems. I'm about to take a chance and upgrade on my desktop. We'll know more in a couple of days once others have gone through it.

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johnebaker wrote on 11/26/2021, 5:53 AM

@Galaxy

Hi

. . . . I've offered a suggestion, but there seems to be some resistance to my idea. Do you actually understand my suggestion?  . . . .

It is not resistance - I think you missed the essential issue with your suggestion about the ablity to switch between some tasks eg adding a title, during which you want to switch to another eg adjust audio level.

Some tasks can be switched between, the example you gave and many others cannot.

Those where you cannot switch from an incomplete action to another task, are changing the focus of what the program is doing and either the context of the previous task is lost, or the software will not let you change focus until you confirm abandoning of the task in hand or complete it.

Do you use keyboard shortcuts when editing?

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browj2 wrote on 11/26/2021, 9:01 AM

@Galaxy

Hi,

I forgot to mention that, for more efficiency, I use the ShuttlePro V2 with my left hand, mouse with the right. The ShuttlePro has 3 banks with the buttons programmed for different tasks. I use the buttons on the screen except where there are multiple choices, for the most part. Much quicker than using shortcuts or going through menus.

I will try out a macro on a button to see if I can get the object color selection list to show up with a click.

As for problems with VPX13, don't go there unless you have a very powerful machine, at least for the moment.

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John C.B.

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Galaxy wrote on 11/27/2021, 9:10 PM

Project Temp Folder - it's on my list, unfortunately way down on the list of tutorials to do. I should bump it up. As it is, I'm way behind on everything.

If you ever post a video about this, I'd be very interested to watch it.

3. Do you really know the setting that you want for speed - BPM for audio, speed for video? For pitch, see my image and you'll see that there are +/- buttons. Magix should do this for BPM.

I agree.

I have mentioned the stretch command. This allows you to drag the right end (left as well) left or right to change the speed. I use this as sometimes I want a video clip to be a certain duration (travel animation) like having it end at another clip, so, I can just drag the end and it snaps with the other object. The speed has been changed.

Is the stretch mode in VPX10?

Yes, the stretch mode is a good feature. Sometimes I use it myself, the way you do. But more often, if a narrator spoke too slowly, and so several objects need to be sped up by about the same amount, then I right click and select Audio Functions / Timestretch/Resample or Ctrl-Shift-Q. That's when it's gets tedious, as I have to move the BPM knob to a similar value for each object, one after another. Holding the shift key helps, but it's still inefficient. There should be +/- buttons, as you suggested, or a field for numeric entry.

4. Do you really know which volume setting that you want? Or is it trial and change?

It's typically a combination of trial and error, and having to aim for a certain value, but then adjusting up or down in small increments. It's hard to do with a mouse.

You can suggest your addition to Magix.

5. Please test the keyframing and give us concrete examples to try out on the latest version. If there is still anything not up to par, we want it fixed.

When I first bought the software several years ago, I didn't like something about the key framing, so I didn't use it much. But after installing the original software download, I updated several times, so maybe whatever bothered me got fixed. In any case, I tried the keyframe feature again just now, and it's actually very useful and versatile.

For example, if I create a curve that controls the position of an object over time (e.g. a photo), and then if I shorten the length of the object (using normal mouse mode), part of the curve gets truncated. However, if I select "Combine effects curve with object length", then the curve itself gets compressed or stretched in time, along with the photo. That's useful. "Object stretch mouse mode" seems to accomplish the same thing.

6. Again, suggest this to Magix, but along with adding user buttons to the tool bar, please.

7. Editing text in the text box in the Preview Monitor is the only way to use multiple fonts, font sizes and colours in the same text box. Try it. Put in 2 words. Highlight the first word, give it a colour. Highlight the second word, change the font, size and colour. You'll get both.

Wow! That works! I didn't know it was possible.

8. No labels on snap markers please! Snap markers are also used to put automatically be put on a music audio for snapping to beats/for cutting to the beat.

I would prefer a new type of marker - Object Markers with labels - that stay with the object. Suggest this to Magix.

Good idea.

Magix is not here, so you have to raise a ticket and make your suggestions. They are always looking for new things to add. Then, conscript some members here to raise tickets with the same suggestions. Priority is given to the squeaky wheels.

Okay, I'll see if I can figure out how to do that.

VPX13 - just managed to update to the newest patch so I haven't tested it yet. From the patch list, it looks like they've taken care of the major problems. I'm about to take a chance and upgrade on my desktop. We'll know more in a couple of days once others have gone through it.

I'll be interested to hear what you think of the latest patch. Your suggestions have changed my opinion of the software overall, so once there is a stable patch, I'll probably upgrade from version 16.

Thanks.

 

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Galaxy wrote on 11/27/2021, 10:43 PM

Some tasks can be switched between, the example you gave and many others cannot.

Those where you cannot switch from an incomplete action to another task, are changing the focus of what the program is doing and either the context of the previous task is lost, or the software will not let you change focus until you confirm abandoning of the task in hand or complete it.

Do you use keyboard shortcuts when editing?

For tasks that I do frequently, yes, I use keyboard shortcuts.

I tend to use the defaults, except for Export Movie in the File menu. In that sub-menu, the defaults mostly use this format:

Ctrl + Alt + [alphabet letter]

Unfortunately, there is a conflict, because those key combinations are the only ones Microsoft allows for launching programs in Windows. Since I already have those assigned in Windows, I can't use them in VPX. I guess the Magix developers have never noticed this conflict.

Besides that, in some other Windows programs, such as Cubase, MS Word, and Photoshop, users can create macros, and assign keyboard shortcuts to launch them. I think that would be useful in VPX too.

 

johnebaker wrote on 11/28/2021, 4:42 AM

@Galaxy

Hi

. . . . Unfortunately, there is a conflict, because those key combinations are the only ones Microsoft allows for launching programs in Windows. Since I already have those assigned in Windows, I can't use them in VPX. I guess the Magix developers have never noticed this conflict. . . . .

There is not a conflict Magix can fix - what you are doing, and most of what you have been suggesting Magix should do with the program, is your personal preferred way of working.

Macros (Scripting) is a good suggestion, however it does have to a viable option, they are a feature of Vegas Pro.

John EB

VPX 13, MEP Premium 2021, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2022.

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Galaxy wrote on 11/28/2021, 10:42 AM

. . . . Unfortunately, there is a conflict, because those key combinations are the only ones Microsoft allows for launching programs in Windows. Since I already have those assigned in Windows, I can't use them in VPX. I guess the Magix developers have never noticed this conflict. . . . .

There is not a conflict Magix can fix -

If Magix changed the default shortcuts in that submenu, the new key combinations might conflict with custom hotkeys that some users have already assigned for other tasks in VPX. Is that what concerns you?

johnebaker wrote on 11/28/2021, 12:58 PM

@Galaxy

Hi

. . . . If Magix changed the default shortcuts in that submenu, the new key combinations might conflict with custom hotkeys that some users have already assigned for other tasks in VPX. Is that what concerns you?. . . . .

The hotkeys you have for launching other programs are your Windows customisations and your choice.

You can change VPX keyboard shortcuts in File, Settings, Keyboard shortcut.

John EB

VPX 13, MEP Premium 2021, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2022.

PC - running Windows 10 Professional 21H2 64bit on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 3 x 2Tb internal HDD + 60GB internal SSD, + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom, Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, Contour HD 1080 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.