Creative Suite questions

ReplicantX wrote on 12/18/2017, 8:05 AM

I've learned to be more informed before committing to anything, so I want to get a little more information about the Creative Suite before getting it. I still have my 15$ coupon for creating a Magix account and it's going to either go towards CS or to get unlimited tracks.

What I'd want to get CS for is the VST support.

Now, before I get it I would like to know:

1. Is there is any compatibility issues with common VSTs?

2. I notice it says VST3 and higher. Does that mean than that VST2s will not work? Or that they may work, but not optimally?

3. Do I need to buy a different Music Maker edition to use the Creative Suite? I have the 'free' MM v.25.1.1.67 and both the 80s Edition and Hip Hop Beat Producer. Is it in any way a 'limited functionality' version'?

3. Is there a limit to how many VSTs I can connect to MM at one time with Creative Suite? Could I theoretically fill all eight tracks with different imported VSTs if I chose to?

4. Where can I find more information about the features of Creative Suite? From the store, it lists:

VST Support

Visuals

Video Recording

Track Effects Presets (is there a list of these presets?)

Text to Speech

Remix Maker (is there more info on this?)

Mouse Modes (I gather this is shortcut key functionality?)

Pitch Assistant

Object and Track Automation (more info, please?)

Loop Finder (again, more info?)

Harmony Agent (I'm assuming a similar function as Pitch Assistant)

Live Arranger (more info?)

 

Edit: Well, this may be pointless, after all. It appears that I can't use the coupon code in the built-in store and I can't find the Creative Suite on the online shop. It's like a roller coaster...

Edit 2: I went ahead and took a chance and bought it. It does appear that my VSTs work with it. I'll see if I can find documentation on the rest of the features. Meanwhile, I did manage to use the coupon on the website towards another soundpool. So it ended up balancing out. I ended up spending $15 altogether.

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rrichard63 wrote on 3/22/2018, 10:08 PM

I cannot find any information in the manual or on the website about (1) "Pitch Assistant" and (2) "Live Arranger".

johnebaker wrote on 3/23/2018, 4:17 AM

Hi

. . . . I can't find the Creative Suite on the online shop . . . .

What is the full program name and version number as found under Help, About . . .?

AFAIK Magix do not currently have a program/package called Creative Suite, I suspect you mean Music Maker.

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johnebaker wrote on 3/23/2018, 4:28 AM

@rrichard63

. . . . find any information in the manual . . . .

Assuming you are referring to Music Maker Premium (2018)

  1. Pitch Assistant

    Depending on what you mean by 'pitch assistant' there are many references in the PDF manual eg

    Pitch bar - p 35 , Pitch changing - page 72, Pitch resample - p138

    Search the manual for 'pitch'.
     
  2. Live Arranger

    See page 58 in the PDF manual

The manual has a comprehensive index starting at p283.

HTH

John EB

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rrichard63 wrote on 3/23/2018, 10:32 AM

What I mean by "pitch assistant" is whatever it means in the (very short) description of the Creative Suite package. Actually, that's the question -- what does the Creative Suite description mean by "Pitch Assistant"?

On page 58 of the manual, I see a discussion of arranging objects, but no mention of a feature called "Live Arranger". Again, that's the question -- what does the Creative Suite description mean by "Live Arranger"?

The index does not contain entries for either "Live Arranger" or "Pitch Assistant". Yes, it does contain entries for "pitch" and "arrange" but they don't lead to anything that describes what the Creative Suite package adds to the program.

johnebaker wrote on 3/23/2018, 10:38 AM

@rrichard63

What is the full program name and version number as found under Help, About . . .?

What else was included in the suite?

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rrichard63 wrote on 3/23/2018, 11:26 AM

(1) Music Maker Version 25.1.2.78

(2) The components of the Creative Suite are listed at the beginning of this thread. To quote from the Music Maker in-app store description:

  • VST support
  • Visuals
  • Video recording
  • Track Effects Presets
  • Text to speech
  • Remix Maker
  • Mouse Modes
  • Pitch Assistant
  • Object & Track Automation
  • Loop Finder
  • Harmony Agent
  • Live Arranger

 

johnebaker wrote on 3/23/2018, 1:08 PM

@rrichard63

. . . . Music Maker Version 25.1.2.78 . . . . Creative Suite are listed at the beginning of this thread. To quote from the Music Maker in-app store description . . . .

I can find no reference to Creative Suite in the in app store of my MMM, however this may because I have the Premium version which already has the functionality etc listed in the Creative Suite.

This would suggest that you have either the free version of Music Maker (MMM) or one of the special editions which have a limited functionality eg: number of tracks, functions, instruments, soundpools and effects.

It would also explain why you can find no reference to the items in the manual.

I think what you are seeing is the package available to bring your version of MMM up to similar functional levels of one of the higher versions of Music Maker eg Plus or Premium.

HTH

John EB

 

 

 

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rrichard63 wrote on 3/23/2018, 1:24 PM

@rrichard63

. . . . This would suggest that you have either the free version of Music Maker (MMM) or one of the special editions which have a limited functionality eg: number of tracks, functions, instruments, soundpools and effects.

It would also explain why you can find no reference to the items in the manual.

I think what you are seeing is the package available to bring your version of MMM up to similar functional levels of one of the higher versions of Music Maker eg Plus or Premium.

HTH

John EB

Okay. My understanding is (correct me if this is wrong) that when you buy Music Maker Premium (or Plus) you are given store credits that you can use to add features. There are 14 feature packages listed, one of which is Creative Suite. The Premium version lets you choose 8 of the 14. The Plus version lets you choose 4 of the 14.

Do you have a version of Music Maker Premium prior to the 2018 version? My understanding is (again, correct me if this is wrong) that prior to this version, the Premium product had these features built in. Beginning with 2018, everything is a la carte.

 

 

johnebaker wrote on 3/23/2018, 3:25 PM

@rrichard63

. . . . when you buy Music Maker Premium (or Plus) you are given store credits that you can use to add features . . . .

This is where the 'a la carte' system allows you to configure/personalise Music Maker to your requirements - this became available in the 2017 version of Music Maker.

. . . . My understanding is (again, correct me if this is wrong) that prior to this version, the Premium product had these features built in . . . .

The Plus and Premium versions 2016 and earlier had the majority of the listed items with slight variations.

If you have an earlier Premium version installed then you can activate all the features of that edition in the new one - Help, Activate Edition, enter the serial number and activate, the features will then become available, either a window will open to download and install automatically or they become available in the store for download and install.

Note: the earliest version that can be activated is Music Maker MX.

HTH

John EB

 

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rrichard63 wrote on 3/23/2018, 4:00 PM

@John EB

When you say "I can find no reference to Creative Suite in the in app store of my MMM", what version of Music Maker are you describing? Also, before answering, in the options menu for the in-app store, check the box for "show purchased items". Thank you.

 

 

johnebaker wrote on 3/23/2018, 4:52 PM

@rrichard63

. . . . in the options menu for the in-app store, check the box for "show purchased items" . . . .

Thanks for that - it is there as acquired. 😳

. . . . "I can find no reference to Creative Suite in the in app store of my MMM", what version of Music Maker are you describing . . . .

The second part of the sentence you quoted already gives this - MMM Premium - originally this was the 2017 version, installed in Sept 2016, then upgraded to the current 2018 version.

The Creative Suite would have been part of the 2017 installation, I cannot recollect if it was called that back in 2016, though I do have a 'vague' memory that all the additional features required to bring the free version up to Premium level were automatically included in the download for extra content of features, effects, soundpools etc which was slightly different from the 2018 version.

HTH

John EB

 

 

 

 

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rrichard63 wrote on 3/23/2018, 4:57 PM

@John EB

Okay. Back to the orginal questions of this thread. What exactly is "Pitch Assistant"? And what exactly is "Live Arranger"?

Also, where are the answers to these question in Magix user manuals, website, FAQ, etc.?

 

johnebaker wrote on 3/24/2018, 11:17 AM

@rrichard63

The Live Arranger enables you to take an existing composition and by assigning regions to a set of buttons/keysyou can play the assigned sections live, sequence them and rearrange/save them to create new compositions.

The 2 videos linked to below are short examples of using Live Arranger

Setting up and live playing:

Using Live Arranger as a sequencer


As to the Pitch Assistant, so far I can find no function/effect/aid with this name in the program, there are several functions and aids which refer to pitch, eg. Vocal tune, Pitch bar, Tempo/pitch and several others.

HTH

John EB

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djdrdru wrote on 5/6/2018, 9:11 PM

Regarding the so-called "Pitch Assistant" the following quotes from the Magix website refer to it as "Pitch Wizard" ... my best guess that is these are simply alternate names for the "Pitch Bar" function.

Creative Suite: The complete creative solution contains features such as VST support, pitch wizard, remix finder, remix maker, video recording, mouse modes and live arranger.

https://www.magix.com/us/music/music-maker/new-features/

Tools such as Vocal Tune or the Pitch Wizard assist you with pitch correction and creating harmonies, even for those who don't know how to read music.

https://www.magix.com/us/make-your-own-music/

If the audio recording, for instance, is combined with existing loops in the program, it is important to pay attention to the pitch of the existing songs. With the pitch wizard you can easily adjust instrumental recordings even after recording.

https://www.magix.com/us/audio-recording/

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Intel Core i5-2520M, Intel HD Graphics, Realtek HD Audio, RAM 4GB, 120GB SSD, 64GB SDXC
Windows7 Professional Version 6.1 (Build 7601: Service Pack 1) 64-bit
Music Maker Version 25.1.2.78

djdrdru wrote on 5/7/2018, 3:12 AM

Regarding the OP, some of the questions have been answered above but I'll summarize for the next guy:

1. Is there is any compatibility issues with common VSTs?2. I notice it says VST3 and higher. Does that mean than that VST2s will not work? Or that they may work, but not optimally?

Any standard 32-bit VST(1/2/3) plugin should be compatible. Music Maker does not support 64-bit plugins.

3. Do I need to buy a different Music Maker edition to use the Creative Suite? I have the 'free' MM v.25.1.1.67 and both the 80s Edition and Hip Hop Beat Producer. Is it in any way a 'limited functionality' version'?

All current versions of Music Maker install the same free base version, which does have limited functionality. These limitations can be unlocked through the purchase of additional feature packs, such as "Creative Suite"

3. Is there a limit to how many VSTs I can connect to MM at one time with Creative Suite? Could I theoretically fill all eight tracks with different imported VSTs if I chose to?

Each track will support a separate instrument, but if you want more than 8 tracks you must purchase the "More Tracks and Formats" feature package to unlock unlimited tracks... as many as your CPU can handle

4. Where can I find more information about the features of Creative Suite?

All of those features descriptions can be found in the current user guide (manual_musicmaker2018_en.pdf) with the possible exception of "pitch assistant/wizard" which I believe is actually covered under "pitch bar"

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Music Maker Version 25.1.2.78

johnebaker wrote on 5/7/2018, 4:55 AM

@djdrdru

I would add a rider to the comment:

. . . . Each track will support a separate instrument, ... as many as your CPU can handle . . . .

The number of instruments appears to be limited by the amount of RAM used by MMM, when you reach the limit an out of memory or memory allocation error may occur - see this topic/comment

HTH

John EB

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