First install installs an "old" version.

johnebaker wrote on 3/2/2020, 4:14 AM

Hi

. . . . bought in DVD version . . . .

From where and was this the DVD Backup disc at extra cost or the 'Dispatch by mail' option?

. . . . what will happen after my one year is up if I have to reinstall it . . .it seems that I will be rolled back to 19.0.1.23 . . . .

That is correct it roll back to the version you purchased.

John EB

pmikep wrote on 3/2/2020, 5:03 AM

Bought it from Amazon. Boxed version of MEP 2020 Pro. Says "New Version!" in yellow on the box. But no numbered version info that I can find on the DVD itself, the box or the cardboard with the Activation number. So it's not clear - at least, not to me - which version I purchased. (It has the girl in the wet suit on a surfboard. So implied it's 2020 version, as also advertised on Amazon.)

johnebaker wrote on 3/2/2020, 9:15 AM

@pmikep

Hi

. . . . So it's not clear - at least, not to me - which version I purchased. (It has the girl in the wet suit on a surfboard. So implied it's 2020 version, as also advertised on Amazon.) . . . .

You have bought the Plus version.

HTH

John EB

pmikep wrote on 3/2/2020, 10:04 AM

Well, true. But for example, suppose that I didn't install from the DVD for another few years. (As, IIRC, someone else reported doing here a few days ago.) I presume that MEP would update to something like 2022, but then upon reinstall after a year, drop back to 19.0.1.23.

But suppose I had bought the download version from Amazon a few months ago? (In 2019.) Would the download link install MEP 2022 ? Or is the link they give coded to correspond to the time frame when you buy it?

browj2 wrote on 3/2/2020, 11:28 AM

@pmikep

Magix normally has an install version, like 2019, 2020, and then patches. The first version is installed followed by the latest patch. The latest patch may include bug fixes and new features that came out since the initial release, or there may be 2 patches, one for bugs, one for new features. This is probably the same whether you have a DVD or download. Of course, if the DVD is for 2019, or 2018, then that is what is installed first. Then you would be advised that a new version is available, like 2020, followed by one or more patches, I would assume. Obviously, the best way is to download and install the latest version, update, download and install the additional content.

Why you would purchase now for installation in 2022 defies all logic. If you don't want it now, don't buy it now.

As per the other thread, the clock starts ticking for the Update Service when you install and register. Whatever is the active version that day is what it will roll back to if you have to reinstall after the end of the Update Service period if you don't renew. I am, of course, assuming that this also applies to a store-bought version.

The problem on the other thread was that the OP bought a year or so ago and only installed now. IIRC, she was upset because she thought that she should get the additional plugins that were being offered when she installed, but were not being offered when she purchased (or maybe she got other plugins at the time). No, you get what was offered when you bought.

Surely you could look at your purchase on Amazon to see what you bought. See below for what I see - MEP Plus 2018!

In your case, why did you buy on Amazon? Right now, Amazon Canada is selling "MAGIX Movie Edit Pro - 2018 Plus - Editing Software" for $128 CDN with no additional plugins. Magix is selling 2020 Plus along with HitFilm Cinema Style Pack (C$50 value) and HitFilm Stylized Pack (C$50 value) for $90 CDN, new. It's on sale! With your Amazon purchase, you don't get the additional plugins.

As well, since you have MEP2016 Plus, why didn't you simply select Upgrade and get the 2020 version and the 2 plugins, for $80 CDN?

To address your comment in your profile, "Now am considering MEP 2020 Plus, even tho I don't like loosing updates if I have to reinstall after a year" I would like to point out that without the Update Service you would not even have seen any updates or gotten a new version, and if a new version came out during that period, you would have had to purchase it if you wanted it. Not so with the Update Service. If you have to reinstall after a year and have not paid and you want those features that came out in the interim, simply pay to Upgrade, just like you would have had to do before there was an Update Service. You don't have to buy New.

John CB

pmikep wrote on 3/2/2020, 1:32 PM

Thanks for the detailed reply.

As for my question about buying now but not installing until 2022, it was a theoretical question, to find a "boundary condition." (Which is one way that I learned to solve problems as an engineer.) Although I suppose if I had had a heart attack before installing MEP 2020, it could have become a practical question.

It seems to me that one term of art that I find confusing, which you addressed, is the difference between a patch and an update.

When I was using MEP 2015 - 2016, Magix would offer patches. Sometimes they would offer patches beyond the year that the product came out. Those days are gone.

So that's my mentality here.

I suppose that I can understand the desirability of an update. Although typically I simply wait to buy a product when it has the features that I want. (In this case, Magix had announced the integration of the Vegas engine in MEP.)

I did buy MEP 2020. It is version 19, which, as I've observed over the years, Magix's versioning system seems to be like numbering centuries. The version number is one less than the year of the product's name. So I suppose the answer to my question is, that when a person buys a new version of MEP, the DVD (and probably the first download) is for the baseline release of that year's product.

As for buying new vs. buying an upgrade - well, first, I didn't have MEP 2016 installed on this Win10 box. (The one I purchased with the Intel i3, just for the UHD 630.) I don't even know if I could register it again at this late date. Nor did I want to fuss with it and clutter up my Win10. I was able to buy MEP 2020 Plus for $50 USD. That seemed reasonable to me. I'm not interested in the extra effect packs. (I have some New Blue's from another product. Played with them but never had a reason to use them.)

I suppose, if I continue to use MEP next year and either want to upgrade to 2021 or have to reinstall from scratch, then I'll have to consider whether to buy an "upgrade" through Magix or just buy a new version from Amazon, Newegg, etc.

Frankly, I like the convenience of the latter.

(Corrected 2018 to 2016.)

browj2 wrote on 3/2/2020, 1:58 PM

@pmikep

Prior to the Update Service, you only got patches that were bug fixes. Now, you get bug patches and new features that come out between major version releases. It would be rare that Magix would release a bug fix beyond a year after the release date, although I vaguely recall it happening years ago.

AFAIK, there is really no difference in nomenclature between a bug patch or update with new features. New versions are Upgrades, but if you are within the 1 year Update Service, you will get a message in the projgram that there is an update. It just happens to be a new version.

Yes, the version number and the year are 2 different things.

For several years now, you can install MEP onto however many computers that you want, but only 2 can be activated at one time. You can activate/deactivate within the program or from within your account at Magix.com.

50$ US is better than what Magix is offering presently (70$ US) for a new purchase of Plus, but with some plugins. This also assumes that you are able to get the present version with the Update Service, etc. The present update price is 60$ US, but with the 2 plugins.

Where do you see that "Magix had announced the integration of the Vegas engine in MEP?" There is the "Infusion Engine" not Vegas. The only Vegas thing that is new is Vegas Stabilization. Most of us here use Mercalli V4, as do most users of Vegas, as far as I can tell. There was thread on the Vegas forum about this a while back.

What kills us as we get older is falling down, then we get a heart attack. It's icy here and I wear crampons while walking the dog.

John CB

browj2 wrote on 3/2/2020, 2:03 PM

One other thing, you may want to keep 2016 on your computer.

pmikep wrote on 3/2/2020, 2:46 PM

Thanks for the detailed reply.

As for my question about buying now but not installing until 2022, it was a theoretical question, to find a "boundary condition." (Which is one way that I learned to solve problems as an engineer.) Although I suppose if I had had a heart attack before installing MEP 2020, it could have become a practical question.

It seems to me that one term of art that I find confusing, which you addressed, is the difference between a patch and an update.

When I was using MEP 2015 - 2016, Magix would offer patches. Sometimes they would offer patches beyond the year that the product came out. Those days are gone.

So that's my mentality here.

I suppose that I can understand the desirability of an update. Although typically I simply wait to buy a product when it has the features that I want. (In this case, Magix had announced the integration of the Vegas engine in MEP.)

I did buy MEP 2020. It is version 19, which, as I've observed over the years, Magix's versioning system seems to be like numbering centuries. The version number is one less than the year of the product's name. So I suppose the answer to my question is, that when a person buys a new version of MEP, the DVD (and probably the first download) is for the baseline release of that year's product.

As for buying new vs. buying an upgrade - well, first, I didn't have MEP 2016 installed on this Win10 box. (The one I purchased with the Intel i3, just for the UHD 630.) I don't even know if I could register it again at this late date. Nor did I want to fuss with it and clutter up my Win10. I was able to buy MEP 2020 Plus for $50 USD. That seemed reasonable to me. I'm not interested in the extra effect packs. (I have some New Blue's from another product. Played with them but never had a reason to use them.)

I suppose, if I continue to use MEP next year and either want to upgrade to 2021 or have to reinstall from scratch, then I'll have to consider whether to buy an "upgrade" through Magix or just buy a new version from Amazon, Newegg, etc.

Frankly, I like the convenience of the latter.

(Corrected 2018 to 2016.)

Frans-S wrote on 3/3/2020, 4:47 PM

@browj2

Why you would purchase now for installation in 2022 defies all logic. If you don't want it now, don't buy it now.

As per the other thread, the clock starts ticking for the Update Service when you install and register. Whatever is the active version that day is what it will roll back to if you have to reinstall after the end of the Update Service period if you don't renew. I am, of course, assuming that this also applies to a store-bought version.

The problem on the other thread was that the OP bought a year or so ago and only installed now. IIRC, she was upset because she thought that she should get the additional plugins that were being offered when she installed, but were not being offered when she purchased (or maybe she got other plugins at the time). No, you get what was offered when you bought.

It happened to me. I bought the product in 2017 and before I could install it I unexpectedly got an assignment for several years in an area without Internet and without much time and facilities to edit videos. I immediately contacted Magix and they told me that I could install the software on any date in the future, albeit some years in the future. The start date of my 1 year update service would be the date that I register the software at the Magix site. Also the bonus software would operate fine, the Magix contact person assured me. The bonus software was Vasco da Gama, which was very important for me.

Now, 2½ years later I'm back and I installed and registered the software on December 8th at the Magix site. The video edit program allowed updating upto today's 2020 version. But unfortunately I ended up with no Vasco da Gama at all and Magix refused to help me out.

If Magix would have told me in 2017 that the bonus software wouldn't work anymore, I would have given the whole box to a friend. For more details see this topic:

https://www.magix.info/nl/forum/is-this-normal-behavior-of-magix--1237723/

pmikep wrote on 3/3/2020, 6:31 PM

Interesting.

My MEP DVD came with something called Magix Travel Maps. I don't think that's the same as VdG. Although I don't know what the difference is. Nor do I know if Travel Maps will need to be updated in the future, and if so, if the updates also end in a year. (I presume so, since it says it's a Magix Product.)

branda-l wrote on 3/4/2020, 2:43 AM

I had the same problem.

browj2 wrote on 3/4/2020, 8:56 AM

@pmikep

Hi,

Vasco da Gama is made by Motion Studios, not Magix. In order for the version that you have to work, you first have to install the version of MEP that it came with activate it (MEP2017), then install VdG and the license code will work. There were problems when people upgraded to MEP2018, but these were resolved, so far as I understand. It was a hot topic on the French forum that seems to have gone away. This is similar to other third party software that had to be installed with the version (and after) of MEP/VPX that it came with. Then it would keep on working in future versions. All third party plugins that I have gotten over the years continues to work in the latest version. There is only one, if memory serves me correctly, that requires the original MEP or VPX to be on the computer, that is, uninstalling MEP/VPX caused the plugin to stop working in future versions.

As for the other thread, I made it clear and it is purely obvious to me that Magix' Update Service pertains to the Magix software, not to third party products that happened to come with it. Read what is written under Update Service; the software included in it is listed. VdG is not listed, nor is any other third party software. Magix cannot offer an Update Service for these; the third parties don't even offer that themselves. When you install third party software, you accept their licensing conditions and you fall under their programs.

Travel Maps has replaced the old Travel Route Animation. It's a standalone program from Magix that you can open from within MEP/VPX/PhotoStory under Edit > Wizards > Travel route animation. It is not available separately. It may have a patch unless the installer is actually the latest version. My version has been updated several times. We don't know if there will be Upgrades, as it is new and seems to be almost at the completion point. There are some minor bugs and problems (Help does not open the help document, there is German on some of the screens), but it works well and has advantages over the old TRA. I have VdG 12 and Vasco StreetMaps 7, totally independent of Magix. Depending on what I want, I use VdG or Travel Maps. Travel Maps has a satellite view, thus an advantage.

@branda-l

What problem?

John CB