@Former user
No!
@Former user
No!
Well, everyone cannot be pleased, but even less people will be with this amount of product fragmentation.
@Former user
I think you will find the Vegas line of products may become more streamlined in the near future as they collaborate with Microsoft for a cloud based editing solution.
Ray.
@Former user
It's obvious that you don't use MEP or VPX.
Both are heavily shortcut-oriented as well as mouse-oriented and menu-oriented. Most everything has a shortcut and I use them extensively. I have put the ones that I use most on my ShuttlePro V2 and for those that are on-screen, I use the mouse so as not to have to take my hands off of the ShuttlePro and the mouse. The shortcuts can be modified and shortcuts can be added to commands that don't have them. Shortcuts are always, as far as I can tell, indicated in menus and buttons. All, just like in Samplitude.
VPX comes with a 4-page shortcuts list - Shortcuts_EN.pdf
John CB
@Former user
It's obvious that you don't use MEP or VPX.
Both are heavily shortcut-oriented as well as mouse-oriented and menu-oriented. Most everything has a shortcut and I use them extensively. I have put the ones that I use most on my ShuttlePro V2 and for those that are on-screen, I use the mouse so as not to have to take my hands off of the ShuttlePro and the mouse. The shortcuts can be modified and shortcuts can be added to commands that don't have them. Shortcuts are always, as far as I can tell, indicated in menus and buttons. All, just like in Samplitude.
VPX comes with a 4-page shortcuts list - Shortcuts_EN.pdf
John CB
The only thing clear is that you either can’t read or didn’t read what I wrote.
I plainly stated that MAGIX creative applications are all based around mouse modes. Yes, there are keyboard shortcuts, but in many cases they are badly mapped and poorly done (“tacked on” - even when you account for localization). If you edit predominantly with the mouse, then you’re unlikely to ever notice this.
MAGIX did a demonstration of VPX a while back (still on YouTube) and they clearly indicated that the UX was designed around mouse-based operation/mouse modes. These are great for learners and hobbyists, but they slow down power users considerably. Additionally, designing a good keyboard map is itself as hard as designing a good user interface.
Final Cut Pro X had keyboard shortcuts, too.
Have used these products. Can upgrade to VPX if I wanted ;-)
Samplitude is no different. Often complete classes of operations in MAGIX applications are confined to different mouse modes. What are you talking about?
The software was designed for clickers.
@Former user
No! As I stated and I'll state again, Magix makes these products, VPX and MEP in particular, for ease with extensive shortcuts, menus everywhere, and mouse clicks - choose whichever method you want or combination and they are all there. You obviously have not even looked.
As well, there is nothing wrong with using the mouse. If there's a button on the screen, then it's a whole lot faster to click on it and easier than remembering a couple of hundred shortcuts. For infrequently used commands, there is a menu, usually a context menu available for help, and yes, you click on with the mouse. What do you want to do, navigate to the menu item with the arrows on the keyboard?
I'll stop here.
Personally I suspect if Magix tried to force Vegas users to Magix versions and vice versa they would lose a lot of customers. We don't like being treated that way. If our favourite programme was being taken away from us we might retaliate by going elsewhere. There are plenty of alternatives out there especially at the consumer level.
Of interest Corel have continued with both Corel Video Studio (originally ULead) and Pinnacle.
@Former user
Hi
I have used many different video editing programs including FCP and Premiere, and operation of these is no different to the Magix products - you have 3 main methods of input keyboard, mouse or external device eg Shuttle.
They are all 'mouse intensive', if the user so desires, keyboard shortcuts are available in most video editors as is support for Shuttle type devices - it is up to the user to learn these.
Further continuance of the discussion is pointless.
Please read the Community rules sections 1 to 3 and 6
John EB
Forum Moderator
@Former user
Hi
I have used many different video editing programs including FCP and Premiere, and operation of these is no different to the Magix products - you have 3 main methods of input keyboard, mouse or external device eg Shuttle.
They are all 'mouse intensive', if the user so desires, keyboard shortcuts are available in most video editors as is support for Shuttle type devices - it is up to the user to learn these.
Further continuance of the discussion is pointless.
Please read the Community rules sections 1 to 3 and 6
John EB
Forum Moderator
The video is on YouTube, with MAGIX talking about it. I'll take their word for it ;-)
You can't give your opinion on the subject and then shoo people away while citing community rules - after yourself participating in the offending discussion. That's a bit hypocritical, no?
Personally I suspect if Magix tried to force Vegas users to Magix versions and vice versa they would lose a lot of customers. We don't like being treated that way. If our favourite programme was being taken away from us we might retaliate by going elsewhere. There are plenty of alternatives out there especially at the consumer level.
Correct. There are plenty of alternatives, which is why competing against yourself doesn't help. Frankly, it confuses a lot of users, as they are not sure about product direction when a company has too many competing products. It doesn't help that the "What's New" pages for MAGIX's products are incredibly disorganized (stuff from a year ago appearing before stuff from last month, for example).
Of interest Corel have continued with both Corel Video Studio (originally ULead) and Pinnacle.
VideoStudio is also, practically, given away for $15-25 all the time to get people to upgrade (sound familiar?). Corel invest little in development, so they don't need to sell many copies to stay afloat. The product exists simply to milk money out of what users are left (many of which will buy the cheap upgrades even when they don't need them, cause "cheap"). I have a friend who worked there.
Pinnacle does net more development, but it's been passed around (and even Avid acquired and then dumped it on Corel). Corel is known as a software graveyard - where products go to die. They don't cease to exist, just limp along as long as they can invest the minimum and sell to users who can't be bothered to move on.
Corel also sells PaintShop Pro and Corel PHOTO-PAINT - neither of which are competitive in the Photo Editing industry due to pricing and lack of development.
Then they developed that terrible Corel Office (or whatever it is called) instead of simply dropping the price on WordPerfect Office (85% of which is basically out of development and old code) and working on improving that product.
Then there was teh Corel Linux shenanigan's in the .COM era that practically bankrupted them during a time when they were the only legit competitor to Microsoft Office and had one of the top graphic design packages on the market.
Corel's situation is well known. They are a meme in the software industry.
@Former user
You can't give your opinion on the subject and then shoo people away while citing community rules - after yourself participating in the offending discussion. That's a bit hypocritical, no?
No, not hypocritical at all to "remind" any poster whose words have the potential to create anger or, at the least, "heated disagreement", that such posts are against the Community rules which Magix, who set up this forum for user to user discussion and interaction, have laid down.
I think it is time this thread was closed, which it now is!
Jeff
Forum Moderator