MIDI not recording

necromanticorum09 wrote on 8/14/2017, 1:45 PM

Hello. 30 % of the time, when i am recording in music maker with my keyboard as midi source there is just empty space.

The bar appears though, but there is nothing inside of it to indicate that it has recorded any kind of sound.

this is ok, most of the time, but a lot of times i sit for 10-20 minutes just playing, and when i am finished, there is nothing there...

 

this is extremely frustrating and one of the main reasons why i would never recommend MAGIX to anybody.

 

Could anybody please help me with this?

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emmrecs wrote on 8/15/2017, 3:55 AM

Hello. First can you please read this post and supply ALL the information requested there; without it we are going to have make an unreasonable number of assumptions about your computer and software.

Second, please give us exact details of how you are setting up MM to record the Midi from your keyboard and what connections between the keyboard and computer. Your mention of there is nothing inside of it to indicate that it has recorded any kind of sound  seems to suggest you are expecting to record sound (audio), whereas Midi data contains no audio, merely a set of commands which tell any attached midi-equipped keyboard or sound module which notes to play, for how long, how loud, which sound/voice to use, etc., etc..

Jeff

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browj2 wrote on 8/15/2017, 8:49 AM

Hi,

Under Program settings, Audio/Midi tab, is your Midi keyboard selected under Input device?

Did you arm the track for MIDI Rec or Audio Rec?

Did you select an instrument?

When you play a key on your keyboard, did you hear a sound from the output of the computer, not the external keyboard?

Did you watch my tutorial on Getting Started in MusicMaker? It was made with 2015, but is still relevant today.

John C.B.

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necromanticorum09 wrote on 8/16/2017, 12:09 PM

Hello. First can you please read this post and supply ALL the information requested there; without it we are going to have make an unreasonable number of assumptions about your computer and software.

Second, please give us exact details of how you are setting up MM to record the Midi from your keyboard and what connections between the keyboard and computer. Your mention of there is nothing inside of it to indicate that it has recorded any kind of sound  seems to suggest you are expecting to record sound (audio), whereas Midi data contains no audio, merely a set of commands which tell any attached midi-equipped keyboard or sound module which notes to play, for how long, how loud, which sound/voice to use, etc., etc..

Jeff

 

Hi Jeff. Thank you for your reply. Yes i know that Midi is not the same as audio, what i mean is this.

I have been recording MIDI for two years. I play something on my keyboard and after i have pressed the "stop" button, the grey line contains "commands" as you put it, but it no longer does this. this happens randomly now.

before it was only something that happened when i has just opened music maker, now it happens all the time. truly all the time. i do some tests first to see if it does register what i am playing on my keyboard, and after i have had success in this for about 10 consecutive times, i usually assume that it is ok to record something for real, like a long piece of music that i have written. and after i have played for 5-10 minutes, sometimes shorter than that, and press stop, no commands have been registered. so there is nothing in the grey/white line, that normally contains dots and lines...

 

it's difficult for me to explain i think.

necromanticorum09 wrote on 8/16/2017, 12:11 PM

Hi,

Under Program settings, Audio/Midi tab, is your Midi keyboard selected under Input device?

Yes, Midi keyboard is selected under input device.

Did you arm the track for MIDI Rec or Audio Rec?

MIDI rec, never Audio.

Did you select an instrument?

Yes, i did.

When you play a key on your keyboard, did you hear a sound from the output of the computer, not the external keyboard?

the sound comes from the output, not the keyboard.

Did you watch my tutorial on Getting Started in MusicMaker? It was made with 2015, but is still relevant today.

No, i have not watched your tutorial, where can i find it? :D

 

necromanticorum09 wrote on 8/16/2017, 12:16 PM

I was just thinking. The music maker that i bought is Music Maker 2015 premium...but i have two versions now, for some reason. one is the standard version that i bought two years ago, and another one, the icon is a pink square with a white M. This is the version that has the accordion vsti and such things. i like using it because of the instruments that are not in the 2015 verison, but maby this new music maker is just a demo or a trial or something like that...i don't know. Magix is just really really confusing me...it's kind of rediculous.

 

Anyway, is there a way to import instruments from one version and into another?

i want to only use the 2015 premium that i bought, so is there a way for me to import the 4 instruments that i bought from the store in the new version, and into the 2015 version? then everything would be contained in one program...would make everything easier for me.

browj2 wrote on 8/16/2017, 12:35 PM

Hi,

You can see the version by clicking on Help, About. What are your versions?

Which instruments did you purchase? Some instruments don't work in older versions of MusicMaker.

Did you download and install the free instruments and synthesizers?

John C.B.

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necromanticorum09 wrote on 8/16/2017, 12:50 PM

I bought accordion, choir and church organ from the in-program-store in Music Maker (25.0.2.44), and i would like to use these instruments in Music Maker 2015 ( 21.0.4.50 (UDPP3) ) but i do not know how to do this.

 

if the NEW instruments in the 25. version of music maker are not compatible with 2015 premium edition, then maby the older instruments from the premium edition are compatible with the new MM 25...but the 25. version does not have VSTi plugin-path in the "folder" section of progam settings...so this is becoming unbelievably dumb...

 

 

necromanticorum09 wrote on 8/16/2017, 12:53 PM

I just want ONE single version of Music Maker that can use all instruments...is this not possible?`so i have to jump between versions in order to use different instruments? if this is true, then magix is truly a horrible program. please proove me wrong. also, none of this explains why it does not record midi anymore...i am at my wit's you guys.

necromanticorum09 wrote on 8/16/2017, 1:26 PM

ok...so i think i managed to fix what was causing midi not to be registered...i had, for some reason, put the usb into a 2.0 port and not a 3.0 high speed port that i used to do...and this fixed it. phew...so stupid.

So at least THAT was my fault entirely. But i would still like to have one singular version of MM with all instruments. is this even possible?

And while i am still rambling, is it possible to record MIDI and AUDIO, like via a microhpone at the same time? I want to record something while i am singing you see. is there a way to do this?

so far it seems like this is not the case, because as far as i can tell, you can only have one channel active at a time, so it's either MIDI rec or AUDIO rec

browj2 wrote on 8/16/2017, 1:46 PM

Did you purchase MusicMaker (25.0.2.44) or is this the free version?

Normally, if you installed 2015 before a newer version, the instruments from the previous version show up automatically. They do in mine, but then I purchased MMM Premium. I don't know what happens with the free version. So far as I know, I have the latest version of MMM and it is 24.1.6.124, so I suspect that you have a newer version, like the free one.

That said, according to the Magix.com website, the instruments should all work in versions 2015 and later.

Here is something that you can try if you want to get the instruments to work with 2015:

Copy the *.ini and folder shortcut files that are in:

C:\ProgramData\MAGIX\Music Maker Premium\2017\MxSynth - or whichever folder is the most recent one in bold

and paste these in the same location under 2015. Then try running the program to see if they show up.

Note that if you cannot see the ProgramData folder in Windows Explorer, you need to unhide hidden folders in Windows Explorer.

John C.B.

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johnebaker wrote on 8/16/2017, 3:17 PM

Hi

. . . . but the 25. version does not have VSTi plugin-path in the "folder" section of progam settings...so this is becoming unbelievably dumb . . .

The free version (25.) is a cut down version of Music Maker Premium and has some functions missing, such as the ablility to specify extra VSTfolders, and only comes with a few Soundpools and Instruments.

. . . . i had, for some reason, put the usb into a 2.0 port and not a 3.0 high speed port that i used to do...and this fixed it . . . .

Unless the keyboard is specifically USB 3, then this should not make any difference whether the USB port is a 2 or 3 version. As you used to use the keyboard in the USB 3 port, the most likely cause of it not working was intermittent detection of the device and the drivers not loading correctly.

. . . . I just want ONE single version of Music Maker that can use all instruments...is this not possible? . . . .

It is possible, the options are:

  1. stay with MMM 2015, and purchase additional instruments from Catooh
     
  2. purchase the full version of Music Maker Premium and get all the instruments that come with it and purchase additional ones if you need them from Catooh or in the Store.

HTH

John EB

 

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necromanticorum09 wrote on 8/16/2017, 5:02 PM

Hi

. . . . but the 25. version does not have VSTi plugin-path in the "folder" section of progam settings...so this is becoming unbelievably dumb . . .

The free version (25.) is a cut down version of Music Maker Premium and has some functions missing, such as the ablility to specify extra VSTfolders, and only comes with a few Soundpools and Instruments.

I understand, and that is what i guessed, but the thing is, i don't want to buy the full 25. premium when i allready own the 2015 premium, but i would like to use the instruments that i bought in the store in version 25., but this seems impossible, even after specifying the folder that contains all of the instruments from 25. in 2015, the instruments are not implemented...regardless of what i do...so i can specify VSTfolders in 2015, but the instruments i want are from a newer version of MM and probably cannot be used with older versions...and i only have the free version of the 25. version, so i cannot locate the VST from the 2015 version...anyway, i can just jump back and forth between the two i guess, but i really wish it was simpler.

. . . . i had, for some reason, put the usb into a 2.0 port and not a 3.0 high speed port that i used to do...and this fixed it . . . .

Unless the keyboard is specifically USB 3, then this should not make any difference whether the USB port is a 2 or 3 version. As you used to use the keyboard in the USB 3 port, the most likely cause of it not working was intermittent detection of the device and the drivers not loading correctly.

it's my akai pro interface that is connected via usb 3.0, and that definitely helped, it was just me being stupid, i had temporarily connected it to 2.0 in order to do try something, but i completely forgot to put it back and once i did, the problems ceased.

. . . . I just want ONE single version of Music Maker that can use all instruments...is this not possible? . . . .

It is possible, the options are:

  1. stay with MMM 2015, and purchase additional instruments from Catooh
     
  2. purchase the full version of Music Maker Premium and get all the instruments that come with it and purchase additional ones if you need them from Catooh or in the Store.

But i allready have the premium edition, but the 2015 version, and it does not have all of the instruments that the new free version has, like the accordion, cinematic soundscapes, choir and church organ, and these cannot be bought through catooh, but i wish i could get import them into my premium edition....it's all so confusing! :D

but thank you all for your help! i really do appreciate it! :D

and i am really trying to learn.

HTH

John EB

 

 

necromanticorum09 wrote on 8/16/2017, 5:11 PM

The weird thing is that, i was only trying to install the 2015 premium edition that i bought two years ago, but in the process somehow the new free MM was installed...but anyway.

All the instruments from both the free MM 25. and 2015 are in the same folder. but only the 2015 instruments show up in 2015, and only the 25. instruments show uo in 25. even though they are all in the same folder in the MAGIX root, in the Mxsynth folder. So what should i do? just keep jumping between them? or actually buy the full version of the new 25.? but i would like to refrain from that because i have allready bought the premium 2015 version and i don't cry money. i wish there was a way to just upgrade the 2015 version into a newer one, while keeping all of the instruments bought and also making all the new ones available...why does magix have so many different programs though? At least, older instruments and newer ones should be compatible with all version, so that we won't have to buy new premiums every year....

browj2 wrote on 8/16/2017, 9:16 PM

Hi,

You did not do what I suggested. Where are you looking? You say "in the same folder in the MAGIX root," what is the full path? C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\MAGIX Services\MxSynth?

If so, that is not what I told you to do. Reread my instructions. And, do not touch the files in the above folder.

If you would take some time to review the Magix.com forum, you would see clearly the 4 variations of MusicMaker and what they contain. Here is a link to the comparison page. Scroll down and look at the details.

Magix has issued new releases almost every year, like 2014, 2015, 2016 and now no date. This is not confusing.

You indicated in the prior reply that, "it does not have all of the instruments that the new free version has, like the accordion, cinematic soundscapes, choir and church organ." The free version does not have these instruments, you purchased them separately. The free version has Vita 2 (and only a couple of instruments), Revolta, and Vandal Bass & SE guitar amp, that is, 3 instruments. Premium has 12, including cinematic soundscapes, choir and church organ, but not accordion. Look at the top of the Magix.com site, click on Music, Additional instruments, and you will see the first series which is "Additional instruments for Music Maker from the 2015 version or higher and Samplitude Music Studio from the 2015 version or higher." Click on the link. These cost 40$ Can each, or 120 for 3, which is more than purchasing Premium (80$ Can) that includes these and many other instruments, as well as many Soundpools. You need to do your homework before buying.

The reason that your new instruments don't show up in 2015, is probably because you installed a newer version of MusicMaker, then installed the instruments. The installation script will put the links into the most recent version only. If you want them in an older version, you have to follow my instructions and copy the ini files and shortcuts to the correct folder of 2015. Below is a screen shot of what these look like:

Lastly, these are not real VSTi's and you cannot get them to work by linking them by giving the path like normal VSTi's. You cannot use them in other programs.

John C.B.

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necromanticorum09 wrote on 8/17/2017, 11:18 AM

I am glad to hear that this is not confusing for you, but it truly is for me. I'm sorry if that is nonsensical to you, but it's true all the same. i am not good with these things. But i do appreciate your help, really. i am going to read everything you wrote again now and really try to understand it. thank you very much :D

browj2 wrote on 8/17/2017, 11:29 AM

Hi,

Before Magix added the comparison to tables, it was very confusing because one had read through the features of each variant and try to determine what came with what. Now, it is much simpler thanks to the table. Of course, there remains a lot of confusion about differences between MusicMaker and Music Studio and Samplitude Music Studio and Samplitude, and their variants.

Let us know when you have gone through the information on the Magix site.

John C.B.

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browj2 wrote on 8/17/2017, 3:43 PM

Hi,

I've been advised that my link to the Comparison page is the wrong one. Try this one, hopefully it works.

John CB

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oldbrazil wrote on 9/4/2017, 3:49 PM
 

I have been recording MIDI for two years. I play something on my keyboard and after i have pressed the "stop" button, the grey line contains "commands" as you put it, but it no longer does this. this happens randomly now.

before it was only something that happened when i has just opened music maker, now it happens all the time. truly all the time. i do some tests first to see if it does register what i am playing on my keyboard, and after i have had success in this for about 10 consecutive times, i usually assume that it is ok to record something for real, like a long piece of music that i have written. and after i have played for 5-10 minutes, sometimes shorter than that, and press stop, no commands have been registered. so there is nothing in the grey/white line, that normally contains dots and lines...

 

it's difficult for me to explain i think.

Hi , I get the exact same problem (not difficult to explain, I recognized it from your description right away)

How did you solve it ? It is really annoying !

Actually, it seems to record the notes because you'll see them in the controler below the sequencer. But the notes do not appear in the sequencer and nothing is heard!

browj2 wrote on 9/4/2017, 8:06 PM

@oldbrazil

Yours is not the same problem and we don't know which version you are using or any details of your setup. I suggest that you start a new thread.

However, I'll take a guess. Zoom in on the arranger to make the object larger and you might see the bars. When you record, do you hear anything from the computer, not your external keyboard?

John CB

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oldbrazil wrote on 9/5/2017, 3:36 AM

@browj2, thank you for your reply. Why do you write this is not the same problem ?


@necromanticorum09 writes : "I play something on my keyboard and after i have pressed the "stop" button, the grey line contains "commands" as you put it, but it no longer does this. this happens randomly now." and this is exactly what happens to me ... except that I've only been testing "Magix Music Maker 2017 Plus Edition" for some weeks, and only been recording through a midi keyboard for some days.

 

browj2 wrote on 9/5/2017, 7:46 AM

@oldbrazil

The OP was having intermittent problems - sometimes the recording would be done, other times there would be nothing. If you double-click on the Midi recording to open the piano roll, if there are no notes, then nothing was recorded. This was the problem. I have had this happen to me but it was because I did something wrong, I just don't remember what.

Your case is that the notes were recorded but that you can't hear them, thus a different problem. Check your program settings for playback and make sure that an instrument is selected.

 

John C.B.

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oldbrazil wrote on 9/5/2017, 8:48 AM

I made some findings which help to "solve" the issue. It appears it is a bug in the software :
after realizing that notes were indeed recorded, I fidgeted with the "midi object" in the arranger, and when I changed its length TADA!, the notes appeared and could be heard !!

Perhaps this workaround will help others with the same problem.

I hope this bug will be addressed soon: it appears often and very quickly when someone starts using the software. I almost gave it up because of that.

There is still another issue which might or might not be related : sometimes the music is not heard at all for a specific midi object, even one drawn from the loop bank.

Example:

  1. I drew one pattern into a track, no pb.
  2. Later on, I could not hear it anymore.
  3. I added another pattern onto the same track, right behind the first one
  4. I can hear the music for this second object (still not for the first one)