Problems with footage

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CubeAce wrote on 9/14/2020, 3:24 AM

@nicolas-r @johnebaker

Hi Nicolas.

I suspect Handbrake in this instance is doing a smart render of some kind and the resulting file (If the one you show above is from a Handbrake conversion) is still not giving a readable GOP structure.

I have found the only way to make an OBS file editable in MEP or VPX is to export the file via MEP and export it as an MP4 file (do not select an output that give an m2ts file or this will not work) and use those for editing.

It gives the files back a readable GOP structure to cut to and that seems to do the trick on my system.

Ray.

 

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nicolas-r wrote on 9/14/2020, 7:52 AM

Hey, this is all it says in the logs:
05:37:45.710: ==== Recording Start ===============================================
05:37:45.710: [ffmpeg muxer: 'adv_file_output'] Writing file 'C:/Recodings/Spellforce/2020-09-14 05-37-45.mp4'...
05:38:32.336: Stopping recording due to hotkey
05:38:32.562: [ffmpeg muxer: 'adv_file_output'] Output of file 'C:/Recodings/Spellforce/2020-09-14 05-37-45.mp4' stopped
05:38:32.562: Output 'adv_file_output': stopping
05:38:32.562: Output 'adv_file_output': Total frames output: 2799
05:38:32.562: Output 'adv_file_output': Total drawn frames: 2811
05:38:32.562: ==== Recording Stop ================================================
05:39:18.876: Device 'Microphone (NVIDIA RTX Voice)' invalidated.  Retrying
05:39:21.877: [WASAPISource::TryInitialize]:[Microphone (NVIDIA RTX Voice)] Failed to activate client context: 88890004
05:39:39.716: [game-capture: 'Game Capture'] capture window no longer exists, terminating capture
05:39:39.717: [game-capture: 'Game Capture'] capture stopped
05:40:50.327: adding 21 milliseconds of audio buffering, total audio buffering is now 21 milliseconds (source: Desktop Audio)
05:40:50.327: 
05:40:58.166: [game-capture: 'Game Capture'] attempting to hook fullscreen process: videodeluxe.exe
05:40:58.169: [game-capture: 'Game Capture'] using helper (compatibility hook)
05:40:58.171: [game-capture: 'Game Capture'] hook not loaded yet, retrying..
05:41:01.183: [game-capture: 'Game Capture'] attempting to hook fullscreen process: videodeluxe.exe
05:41:02.267: [game-capture: 'Game Capture'] capture stopped
05:41:05.200: [game-capture: 'Game Capture'] attempting to hook fullscreen process: videodeluxe.exe
05:41:05.217: [game-capture: 'Game Capture'] capture stopped
05:41:09.216: [game-capture: 'Game Capture'] attempting to hook fullscreen process: videodeluxe.exe
05:41:09.233: [game-capture: 'Game Capture'] capture stopped
05:41:13.233: [game-capture: 'Game Capture'] attempting to hook fullscreen process: videodeluxe.exe
05:41:13.250: [game-capture: 'Game Capture'] d3d11 shared texture capture successful
05:41:13.250: [game-capture: 'Game Capture'] capture stopped
05:41:17.250: [game-capture: 'Game Capture'] attempting to hook fullscreen process: videodeluxe.exe
05:41:17.284: [game-capture: 'Game Capture'] d3d11 shared texture capture successful
05:41:17.300: [game-capture: 'Game Capture'] shared texture capture successful
05:41:24.697: [game-capture: 'Game Capture'] ----------------- d3d11 capture freed ----------------
05:41:24.699: [game-capture: 'Game Capture'] d3d11 shared texture capture successful
05:41:24.700: [game-capture: 'Game Capture'] shared texture capture successful
05:48:04.207: [game-capture: 'Game Capture'] ----------------- d3d11 capture freed ----------------
05:48:04.208: [game-capture: 'Game Capture'] d3d11 shared texture capture successful
05:48:04.216: [game-capture: 'Game Capture'] shared texture capture successful
05:48:14.025: [game-capture: 'Game Capture'] ----------------- d3d11 capture freed ----------------
05:48:14.026: [game-capture: 'Game Capture'] d3d11 shared texture capture successful
05:48:14.033: [game-capture: 'Game Capture'] shared texture capture successful
05:48:29.583: [game-capture: 'Game Capture'] ----------------- d3d11 capture freed ----------------
05:48:29.584: [game-capture: 'Game Capture'] d3d11 shared texture capture successful
05:48:29.600: [game-capture: 'Game Capture'] shared texture capture successful
05:48:35.765: adding 21 milliseconds of audio buffering, total audio buffering is now 42 milliseconds (source: Desktop Audio)
05:48:35.765: 
05:48:36.156: [game-capture: 'Game Capture'] ----------------- d3d11 capture freed ----------------
05:48:36.157: [game-capture: 'Game Capture'] d3d11 shared texture capture successful
05:48:36.166: [game-capture: 'Game Capture'] shared texture capture successful
06:02:58.163: User switched to scene 'Recoding Games'
06:02:58.879: User switched to scene 'Desktop'
06:02:59.217: [game-capture: 'Game Capture'] capture stopped
06:03:08.854: Starting recording due to hotkey
06:03:08.857: [jim-nvenc: 'recording_h264'] scaling enabled, falling back to ffmpeg
06:03:08.857: ---------------------------------

johnebaker wrote on 9/14/2020, 8:17 AM

@nicolas-r

Hi

What do the logs say about the recordings that were causing issues with MEP.

Were you gaming while recording this morning?

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nicolas-r wrote on 9/14/2020, 8:22 AM

These are the logs for the gaming clip in the video that I posted today. I wake up at 4:00 am so I can be productive in the mornings and so threw on the game to record some test footage to see if it would still be problematic, saw that it was being problematic and then recorded the video that I posted here this morning.

Scenestealer wrote on 9/14/2020, 4:30 PM

@CubeAce @nicolas-r @johnebaker

I am beginning to wonder that the problem may be that OBS is encoding with a very long GOP and / or that the GOP's are not closed, so that if the cuts are near the end of the GOP they are picking up predictive frames from across a scene change......or something.

Can you set OBS to record using a short GOP and / or with closed GOP settings?

Also does any one know how to get Media Info to consistently report GOP structure as this seems totally random on different clips or formats?

Peter

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CubeAce wrote on 9/14/2020, 6:41 PM

@Scenestealer @johnebaker @nicolas-r

Hi Peter.

The settings within OBS for recording seem to be many.

I chose my settings using advanced to produce reasonable quality recordings with similar quality to what I was seeing on screen with file sizes similar to what I normally see for a minute of recording from one of my cameras and a reference frame rate of 50fps because that is what I normally record video at. I have the recorder settings to copy the streaming capability. Some settings produce much smaller file sizes with reasonable quality but the file formats are not recorded to MP4.

I used the advanced settings but not sure what some of the alterations could mean for the final output of the file.

They are not the default settings which on my system was using the NHEVC from the nvidia graphics card.

I'm assuming that could be different depending on the hardware when the program is loaded onto a PC.

Nor am I completely sure of what my settings have caused but that reference frames setting changes with alterations chosen for recording. No changes made has ever given a readable GOP structure under that. I've tried. I have tried to show in the following images some of the choices available.

These are my main choices.

Ray.

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CubeAce wrote on 9/14/2020, 6:43 PM

This is where Help takes you.

https://obsproject.com/help

Ray.

 

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CubeAce wrote on 9/15/2020, 2:56 AM

@Scenestealer

Hi Peter.

I've been playing around some more to try to produce a file that MediaInfo can read more fully.

I don't know if that has altered how OBS produced the file or not but my new settings do record an open GOP structure.

General
Complete name                            : C:\Users\Ray\Videos\2020-09-15 08-42-52.mp4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media
Codec ID                                 : isom (isom/iso2/avc1/mp41)
File size                                : 189 MiB
Duration                                 : 5 min 6 s
Overall bit rate                         : 5 171 kb/s
Writing application                      : Lavf58.29.100

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L4.2
Format settings                          : CABAC / 4 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames        : 4 frames
Codec ID                                 : avc1
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                                 : 5 min 5 s
Bit rate                                 : 5 000 kb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 50.000 FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.048
Stream size                              : 182 MiB (96%)
Writing library                          : x264 core 157 r2945 72db437
Encoding settings                        : cabac=1 / ref=1 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=hex / subme=2 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=0 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=0 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=0 / threads=24 / lookahead_threads=8 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=1 / keyint=50 / keyint_min=5 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=10 / rc=abr / mbtree=1 / bitrate=5000 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
Color range                              : Full
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.470 System B/G
Codec configuration box                  : avcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 5 min 6 s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 192 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 7.12 MiB (4%)
Default                                  : Yes
Alternate group                          : 1

Ray.

 

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johnebaker wrote on 9/15/2020, 5:20 AM

@CubeAce

Hi Ray

. . . . do record an open GOP structure . . . .

If you are referring to this encoding parameter and value

open_gop=0

This is a closed GOP, the default for x.264/AVC, however for HEVC the default is open GOP.

The open_gop parameter has only 2 values - 0 = false and 1 = true.

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CubeAce wrote on 9/15/2020, 6:16 AM

@johnebaker

Hi John.

OK, thanks for that. I wish I could understand or breakdown the rest of it. Also does that mean it's only closed at the end of the clip or the end of each 50 frames?

What is isom (isom/iso2/avc1/mp41) ?

I just chose MP4 as the codec and for the CPU to do the encoding from the very long list that appears when I open the dialogue box shown in image three in my earlier post.That takes less than 8% recorded CPU usage during recording. Export quality is very good.

The resulting file still needs to be put through MEP and exported to make a video clip that can be edited without problems with syncing audio or producing clips that don't change what they are showing on each pass. A clean re-render gives me a rendering speed which is slightly faster than real-time playback. Approximately 30% faster than real-time playback.

The MediaInfo from that file the shows N= and M= data.

General
Complete name                            : I:\Magix 2021\OBS Test.mp4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media
Codec ID                                 : isom (isom/avc1)
File size                                : 453 MiB
Duration                                 : 2 min 26 s
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 25.9 Mb/s
Encoded date                             : UTC 2020-09-15 11:08:12
Tagged date                              : UTC 2020-09-15 11:08:12

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L4.2
Format settings                          : CABAC / 3 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames        : 3 frames
Format settings, GOP                     : M=3, N=50
Codec ID                                 : avc1
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                                 : 2 min 26 s
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 25.7 Mb/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 35.0 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 50.000 FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.248
Stream size                              : 450 MiB (99%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2020-09-15 11:08:12
Tagged date                              : UTC 2020-09-15 11:08:12
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709
mdhd_Duration                            : 146640
Codec configuration box                  : avcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 2 min 26 s
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 163 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 2.85 MiB (1%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2020-09-15 11:08:12
Tagged date                              : UTC 2020-09-15 11:08:12

 

 

I'm just trying to see if there is within OBS, a way to avoid having to go through the extra step and make a source file editable without taking the extra steps.

 

Ray.

 

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Scenestealer wrote on 9/15/2020, 7:12 AM

@CubeAce

Hi Ray

Earlier you said: - I have found the only way to make an OBS file editable in MEP or VPX is to export the file via MEP and export it as an MP4 file (do not select an output that give an m2ts file or this will not work) and use those for editing.But you are showing SShots of an AVCHD .mts export preset....?

I see your tests files from OBS are recorded as streaming files but streaming sometimes has restrictions (eg no B frames) - what happens if you use the Recording tab - and could you try a short GOP of say 15frames?

Peter

 

 

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CubeAce wrote on 9/15/2020, 7:36 AM

@Scenestealer

Hi Peter.

On your first point I'm not sure. I'm not that technical but some files in Windows showed m2ts as the file structure. Those didn't work when re-rendered. Those showing up as MP4 did as far as I've been able to assess. There seem to be a myriad of ways to set OBS up and not even sure of some of the options.

The only setting I can find for setting a GOP structure is set at second intervals. So the only way I can get a shorter GOP structure would be to lower my fps.

I did try non streaming file setups. Didn't seem to make any difference. The main one though was I could pause a recording. Something no available with streaming.

Ray.

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Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU and Intel UHD Graphics 630 Vers 27.20.100.8681, with 32GB of 2133MHz Corsair DDR4 ram.

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1 x 250GB SSD D: drive for current project. 1 x 320gig Toshiba M2.1 drive for Operating System. + x2 WD BLACK 2TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives.I for internal backup and 1 for Library clips/sounds/music/stills. Total 8TB of three external WD drives for backup.

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johnebaker wrote on 9/15/2020, 10:30 AM

@CubeAce

. . . . does that mean it's only closed at the end of the clip or the end of each 50 frames? . . . .

Closed at the end of every GOP. This means the encoder/decoder cannot use frames from a previous or following GOP to determine what to encode/decode it can only use the frames within the GOP it is encoding or decoding.

. . . . What is isom (isom/iso2/avc1/mp41) . . . .

See here.

. . . .I'm just trying to see if there is within OBS, a way to avoid having to go through the extra step and make a source file editable without taking the extra steps. . . . .

Working on it - I have been testing and in OBS there is an option in the Advanced settings to Automatically remux to mp4 - it createsa VFR mp4 copy of the CFR MKV recording which is also retained

John EB

 

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CubeAce wrote on 9/15/2020, 11:20 AM

@johnebaker

Hi John.

Thanks for the link. It verifies my thoughts that it is beyond my grasp beyond a gut feeling.

So metaphorically, are you jumping from the frying pan?

Ray.

 

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johnebaker wrote on 9/15/2020, 11:38 AM

@CubeAce

Hi Ray

. . . . are you jumping from the frying pan . . . .

No I am down a big rabbit hole ūüėā.

Try these settings - gives a CFR mp4 file seems OK.

John EB

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CubeAce wrote on 9/15/2020, 11:53 AM

@johnebaker

Hi John.

That is not far off of my current setting which is.

Why did you settle on a key frame interval setting of 250?

I'm assuming that is also a streaming output type of file because I don't get a pause button when recording on your or my setting at present.

Could you also post your mediainfo from the file so I can compare it to mine?

Ray.

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CubeAce wrote on 9/15/2020, 12:13 PM

@johnebaker

Hi John.

After you posted your findings I went back to my earlier recording and tried editing that again. It worked. No additional movement of the contents, Audio always in Sync. So it seems that I don't need to see any M= or N= symbols in the MediInfo data.

I feel one problem may remain though. I think most of the footage we see others using would be with gameplay online and maybe being streamed at the same time. If that's the case, will this setting work?

I guess we will have to wait and find out.

At least whether there is a pause button of not, it is possible to get a video from OBS Studio that is consistent with editing within MEP.(or VPX).

Also, me having a different key frame interval seems to have made no difference on the editing score.

In case you are wondering about my MediaInfo on the file I just tried, here it is.

 

General
Complete name                            : C:\Users\Ray\Videos\2020-09-15 09-18-47.mp4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media
Codec ID                                 : isom (isom/iso2/avc1/mp41)
File size                                : 95.2 MiB
Duration                                 : 2 min 27 s
Overall bit rate                         : 5 420 kb/s
Writing application                      : Lavf58.29.100

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L4.2
Format settings                          : CABAC / 4 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames        : 4 frames
Codec ID                                 : avc1
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                                 : 2 min 26 s
Bit rate                                 : 5 000 kb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 50.000 FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.048
Stream size                              : 91.6 MiB (96%)
Writing library                          : x264 core 157 r2945 72db437
Encoding settings                        : cabac=1 / ref=1 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=hex / subme=2 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=0 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=0 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=0 / threads=24 / lookahead_threads=8 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=1 / keyint=50 / keyint_min=5 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=10 / rc=abr / mbtree=1 / bitrate=5000 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
Color range                              : Full
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.470 System B/G
Codec configuration box                  : avcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 2 min 27 s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 192 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 3.38 MiB (4%)
Default                                  : Yes
Alternate group                          : 1

[Edit]

On second thoughts I don't think I tried to edit this file before, I only published my findings on the MediaInfo.


Ray.

 

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johnebaker wrote on 9/15/2020, 12:33 PM

@CubeAce

Hi Ray

. . . . most of the footage we see others using would be with gameplay online and maybe being streamed at the same time. If that's the case, will this setting work? . . . .

In theory yes, however the reality is going to depend a lot on the GPU load of the the game and the framerate.

I notice that your OBS recordings are 50 fps - if your Monitors/graphics cards are set to 60 fps (standard) then you are in effect dropping frames.

John EB

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CubeAce wrote on 9/15/2020, 2:04 PM

@johnebaker

Hi John.

I notice that your OBS recordings are 50 fps - if your Monitors/graphics cards are set to 60 fps (standard) then you are in effect dropping frames.

That's true, but If I need to mix those files with anything I record from camera I prefer to keep to the same frame rate within the project. Maybe my eyes are not that sensitive but I don't notice any frames being dropped from say me recording me using MEP. However I still get a warning when importing OBS files even when the frame sizes and frame rates match. Not sure what is causing that to happen.

That was another thing I was wondering. Some gamers are using monitors with 144Hz refresh rates and higher and yet we are seeing files at 24fps and lower. ???

According to the readout from OBS itself, at idle it's using 0.9 to 1.8 percent of my CPU and in record 5.2% to 8.4%.

Seems fairly minimal.

Ray.

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nicolas-r wrote on 9/15/2020, 9:35 PM

@CubeAce

Hi Ray

. . . . are you jumping from the frying pan . . . .

No I am down a big rabbit hole ūüėā.

Try these settings - gives a CFR mp4 file seems OK.

John EB

Hey, @johnebaker

Is it safe to up to bitrate in those settings?

CubeAce wrote on 9/16/2020, 1:37 AM

@nicolas-r

Hi Nicolas.

Beyond a certain point you won't notice any improvement in the quality of the video and the resulting file could get difficult to play depending on the power of your system. You will notice on the one I posted it is double that of Johns' example. To get anywhere near the file sizes my cameras produce, that rate would have to at least quadruple that number again, but for whatever reason the quality from what I'm already getting would not improve to a point where I would notice that much difference. If you are running a 4K or 10 bit screen you may see a difference and need to up the bit rate accordingly.

The resulting file will either work or fail on your system.

As an example.

When I bought a new camera I was forced to upgrade my whole PC system as my old PC could not cope with the demands of the files it produced.

So the answer is. It depends.

Ray.

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johnebaker wrote on 9/16/2020, 2:46 AM

@nicolas-r

Hi

. . . . Is it safe to up to bitrate in those settings? . . . . .

As @CubeAce has commented: . . . . It depends. . . .

You need to balance the capture bitrate, frame rate with the need to avoid/minimise the number of dropped frames dropped - OBS recommend 30fps for the frame rate ie half the standard 60 fps monitor settings, this gives the encoder time to process the frames.

I would test capture while gaming - using increments of 1000 kbs - and check the logs to see if frames have been dropped.

HTH

John EB

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dmerc wrote on 9/20/2020, 12:41 PM

Same OBS MP4 files work fine in other versions of MEP like MEP 2019 so it can't be the OBS settings. It's a MEP 2021 program bug. Please fix!

Sound is out of sync with video on OBS MP4 recordings ( 44.1KHz sound, stereo, 30fps video).

CubeAce wrote on 9/20/2020, 12:57 PM

@dmerc

There is no-one here from Magix. It is a users forum only.

Best take it up by emailing magix.

Ray.

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