@ghijohansson

The videos are of impressive quality for HD at 25fps HD. The largest file at 313MB and running at around 30Mb/s you want to know how well it can be re-exported with the same looking quality, yes?

How much larger would you accept the files remembering that any export will probably have to be larger to avoid additional compression / perceived quality. Do you mind which wrapper is used? Options could be, MP4, HEVC, AV1. The last two could present problems of playback depending on how they are intended to be played back. On a computer using something like the VLC media player should not be a problem but for other means of viewing could be. Using HEVC or AV1 could produce smaller files than the original files in theory.

Loved the Lego clip. I have my own fascination with Lego.

Ray.

@Reyfox

 I have the 3 files. Specifically, what do you want me to do with them.

Essentially the OP wants to confirm that his files can be edited in MMS, VPX and Vegas Pro. More importantly he wants to confirm that he can export to .m2ts at the same bit rate or higher (same quality as the source video) as he was able to do with his previous software; Adobe Premiere Elements. @ghijohansson please correct me if I misunderstood you.

Unfortunately, I'm not at my computer right now so will not be able to test until later but I'm sure @Reyfox, you and others can confirm as well.

@ghijohansson I've downloaded your 50i files, done a VP 50p conversion and commented in your Vegas forum thread together with download link.

@ghijohansson

I downloaded your ZIP. None of the files where "m2ts" per se, as you say, are AVC with AC-3 audio.

Using "trailer 4", which is 25fps interlaced, Top Field first, I opened it in Magix Movie Studio 2025.

I changed the movie settings to 50fps, which will deinterlace the file.

I exported it using one of the AVCHD presets (m2ts file extension/container, AC-3 audio), adjusting the bitrate to 30MB/sec, same as your original.

Here's the result (50fps, Progressive, my Encode speed 470%):

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hhZjc9Zo9rzY5COL0euJkDeXXPOIaaXQ/view?usp=sharing

If you don't need the m2ts container and AC-3, I'd just stick with MPEG 4 and AAC audio. The video will be identical and the AAC audio will be just as good.

MMS2025 Platinum $39.99, VPX $159, Vegas $179. 😉

@AAProds @ghijohansson @Reyfox @Can-Dive @ericlnz

Hi Al.

I downloaded your conversion which is really impressive and I ran in sync with the supplied original. I could not spot one difference stopping at various points along the way.

I have not in the past been able to replicate anything like this at a similar bit rate.

However I could not from your description quite figure out the precise method and settings used and took a good hour and a half trying out various export settings until I got the following result using MMS2024.

Apart from the slightly higher bit rate of the audio I can't see any difference in the audio encoding.

Are my export options in the ball park compared to your own?

Certainly the results look the same to me and took one minute 4 secs to export using both GPUs.

Ray.

@CubeAce

G'day Ray, Yes, I just used the AVCHD 1920x1080 50P HQ preset but upped the bitrates to 30,000 and 33,000, leaving everything else the same, as in your last image.

Hard to get a decent Task Manager snap, it's so fast!

@AAProds

Hi Al.

So me having almost identical settings but changing the coding quality to 'Best' made no difference.

It took me about 4 attempts to get the 30,000 and 33,000 bit settings so the output render matched your own.

My only concern at this point is what @ghijohansson means by 'Editing'. If it is simple but joining clips I see no problem with this setting but if any colour correction or sharpening, cross fades or effects are applied I'm not sure if the results will be as good.

Your thoughts?

Ray.

@CubeAce

Ray, just did a quick test: Neat video on a 56 second object, saturation boost on a ~18 second object and a brightness reduction on the rest (~11sec) and swapped the start and finish objects. Export time with those m2ts parameters was 50 secs: 160% encode speed. Neat Video was the slowest part, as is well-known.

That is, no issue at all editing that file in MMS 2025.

@AAProds

Thanks Al, I trust your judgement.

Interesting specs on that XA10 camera.

Then the brochure has completely different specs.

Different generations but same name?

Loved the quality of the output.

Ray.

Dear friends, you use so many technical expressions that I have the impression that you know more than I do about transcoding. So I need to think a little to become sure that I don't misunderstand.

About the quality of my files. Thanks. I try to avoid filming in situation where it is difficult to reach a good result.

What bit rate I would find acceptable? That is one of the things I am asking myself. When it comes to the file with a bitrate of 30 Mbps. In the zip file it is compressed 30 % which means that the file probably has a bit rate about 21 Mbps. Changing to mpeg-4 would make the files somewhat smaller. So I can guess that 17 mbps would be okey for 25p and 35 Mbps would be okay for 50p. Yes, that is the bitrate for .mp4 files delivered by Canon XA-60 for 25p respectively 50p. And it would not surprise me if they tried to give that model settings which are comparable to what they have used for earlier camcorders.

When it comes to choosing wrapper. I am too ignorant to know what to answer. But .mp4 appears to be popular for those camcorders which are sold in the price range which is reasonable for me.

Yes, I want to preserve quality. One never now what the future will be like. So better preserve.

I downloaded the file, to look at it tomorrow when I am less busy than tonight.

Yes, I have more or less decided to buy Vegas.

With editing I mean that one can use special effects. In the doll movie I created in 2018, I had 6 or 7 layers, in the most complicated scenes.

No, I have never used neat video, even though I have heard about it.

Nice that you like my camcorder. I chose it for the 48 volt phantom power. I didn't check the link, but if the specs are different, then I guess that is for the NTSC model while we have PAL here is Sweden.

@ghijohansson

Hi.

Don't be confused by zip files as they use a lossless compression whereas most video formats use lossy compression. One can't be compared to the other. I tried lower settings than I eventually managed to match the file @AAProds produced and glitches as well as some blockiness in some parts became apparent. I think Al has cracked it in this instance. I think if you go with Vegas some fettling of the settings will still be needed. Perhaps @Gid @Reyfox or @ericlnz could look at that further as they are more experienced with using that program. While I do use Vegas I am not at the same level of proficiency with that program as those three gentlemen.

The difference between the webpage specs shown for the camera appear a lot newer than the downloadable brochure as if they are different generations of the same model number. The brochure specs match your video files more than the specs stated on the main website page.

[Edit]

I notice in your original post you said you had a Canon AX-10 which is the camera specs I looked up.

Now in your last comment you are stating it is a Canon AX-60.

That I did not look up.

[2nd Edit]

Just looked that one up. Seems too modern. Ignore me.

Ray.

Oh dear, misunderstandment. I have a Canon XA-10. 14 years old. So if it breaks down, I would instead buy a Canon XA-60. Because the production of Canon XA-10 ended 11 years ago.