I am guessing my GPU just has a lot more oomph than yours, being a later generation model with more VRAM, and maybe makes up for it. I can say that 2021 is way smoother and faster - to the point where I do not notice I am working with 4K GoPro files. This afternoon I booted my old Windows 7 Desktop PC, an Intel Core-i7 8700K (6/12 threads) with 32GB RAM and an old NVIDIA TITAN X GPU which is actually just a GTX 980ti with 12GB of VRAM. So much older than your GPU. Buttery smooth. So much better than the old 2018 version. Now I can work on one and render on the other.

So I ordered a new Core-i7 12th Gen CPU and it just arrived - will build the system in the next few days. Anyone interested in a performance comparison with my old i7-8700K? The New cpu has a newer version if iGPU which I am hoping will be faster at rendering, and in general should be as fast or faster than my Ryzen 8/16 CPU with its additional so-called "performance-cores"

@CubeAce I get it now...why you want 2022 to have no bugs...I was playing around with MEP 2021 and 2022 on my old core i7-8700K with the Titan X....and the gains are insane in the new version. My Titan X maxes out now and renders over 5 times faster than if I use the iGPU with 4K video to MP4. And even on my laptop with an older iGPU (HD Graphics 530 vs the 8700K's UHD Graphics 630) and a 2GB NVIDIA Quadro M1000M) it is WAY faster using the NVIDIA than it was with 2021 version. I then pulled the Titan X and dropped in an old RTX2070 and that smokes the TitanX. Tomorrow I will pull my RTX2080ti from my daily-driver and see how that does.

@DesertSweeper

Yup. With strong enough hardware it is working very well.

You could make a killing at the moment with all those cards you have 😁.

Ray.

The moral of the story is that I wasted a pile of money on a new Alderlake PC when all I had to do was wait for MEP2022 to get fully fixed, and use what I have already. I will clearly not be using the iGPU moving forward.

GPU's...I have a bunch of AMD's like the VEGA64-LC and a Frontier Edition (16GB HBM) and a 5700XT. I am one of those lazy people who just puts them on a shelf when I get a new one. I am sure I have at least 20 or more on a shelf in my store room. Total waste indeed.

I am curious to understand why one particular setting in the new version makes such a HUGE difference to the rendering performance: in the "Program settings" under Hardware Acceleration the "IMPORT" option is what makes all the difference. If that is on iGPU - and the Processing and Export are on NVIDIA it is MEH. But slide that option to NVIDIA and it becomes supercharged.

@DesertSweeper

Not necessarily. The latest versions of MEP can use both the nvidia and Intel GPUs with the settings in MEP set solely to nvidia if.

Both GPUs are enabled in the Bios.

You then set Windows 10 Settings> System> Display>Graphics Settings>Hardware-accelerated GPU scheduling to On. Choose an app to set preference>Desktop app and then search for the Magix Video Deluxe Plus/Premium/whatever exe. file and add it to the list (If you have a list) Set the Graphics preferences to Power saving. and save. It won't effect the effectiveness of the nvidia cards but will press any relevant Intel GPU into service as long as it is active. Both on playback and exporting.

The work is given to the best processor for the job at that part of the export. It can help with smoother playback and exports as more effects are added.

Memory usage is also more dynamic as is the use of the CPU cores.The more options you have the better the overall performance could be, project dependent.

That last image with the six way moving graphics windows was really intensive on the workload of my PC.

Ray.

So I was referring only to rendering output - using NVIDIA solely is just vastly superior to iGPU. But coming back to your comments, on my 8700K I have it set up with two monitors, one each on the GPU and one on the iGPU and that way Windows detects both happily. And yes you are right I notice for example with scrubbing the timeline both show considerable activity in task manager. But I personally do not notice any difference in terms of smoothness whichever way it is set up - with or without iGPU. Again maybe that's just my GPU having enough HP to compensate.

What is interesting though, is that it makes a BIG difference in which monitor you run MEP and how it is set. It takes notice of iGPU-processing ONLY when that is set to processing AND it is running on that screen (connected to the iGPU). The iGPU is idle with processing set to NVIDIA. However if you put the app onto the screen connected to the NVIDIA it makes little difference what you choose for processing - it uses BOTH the GPU and iGPU like that.

With regards to complexity I guess that will make a bigger difference. My test clip is 1 minute long 4K GoPro footage. I asplit it in two and added a title and then sharpened and basic brightness/contrast and colour "correction". Same on the second clip with a pan&zoom. I am guessing your masterpiece would stress my system a lot more.

@DesertSweeper

Yes, you are correct and it was remiss of me not to mention that. I have the MEP main screen on my nvidia powered monitor although I will often put the timeline editor onto the second screen for more real estate and it copes well.

You can try out that for yourself. Just add six video clips of around 12 secs each in sequence to the first track and then in the Templates section if you have it find Design elements>Simple Geometry>Skewed, and use the download button to add to the first clip.

You will need to have 13 active tracks ready to complete the effect. The effect will do the rest.

If you can get that to smoothly play back in 4K your system is light years ahead of mine. It exports fine but even with pre-rendering on my machine it struggles to play back. At 1080p it's fine even without pre-rendering.

Ray.

I am downloading the additional templates. But a question Ray, the screen resolution would have an impact I am guessing. I run 2 x QHD monitors (2560x1440). If you are running 4K monitors I think that would tax the graphics substantially more right?

@DesertSweeper @CubeAce

Hi

I then pulled the Titan X and dropped in an old RTX2070 and that smokes the TitanX. Tomorrow I will pull my RTX2080ti from my daily-driver and see how that does.

That will be interesting - especially with some Screen shots with the respective cards in Task Manager at the same point in encoding of the same project.

Theoretically there should not be a lot of difference between the 2070 and the 2080 as the encoding engine in MEP2022 does the encoding on a separate NVENC chip which on that series is a 7th generation and is the same on both cards. The Titan X on the other hand is a 6th Gen NVENC chip, with may explain the reduced performance.

Actually Ray, your 1650 could have the same 6th or 7th Gen NVENC depending on which Turing Chip it has, so it might be almost as fast although there will be some benefit from the greater Direct 3D processing capability on the Cuda cores of the bigger cards.

BTW - Nvidia claim that the H.264 and 265 encoding is higher quality with the 7th gen NVENC.

Peter

@DesertSweeper

I am downloading the additional templates. But a question Ray, the screen resolution would have an impact I am guessing. I run 2 x QHD monitors (2560x1440). If you are running 4K monitors I think that would tax the graphics substantially more right?

That is a good question to which I have no answer.

I am at present stuck with two HD monitors but I would have thought that having to re-scale my 4K files to show on my monitors would be more taxing than running 'native'. You never get a full monitor view anyway from within MEPs 'monitor' panel and I've never used the option to show the view on an additional third monitor.

I believe forum member Gid does though.

@Scenestealer

I have had no qualms with the quality of the encoding Peter. To me I can't tell the difference between a unaltered rendered file to an original file with the settings I use. I used to be able to tell with the default settings in MEP but not with my custom ones. My settings are overkill to anyone wanting to conserve disk space but for quality I'm pleased as can be and for uploading to YouTube they are just about perfect.

I have the device ID and part number for the card but have no idea how to check which Turing chip it has. I am not taking my card apart 😇😆.

Ray.

I aim to answer all these questions but need a decent test file to throw at things. Despite getting the gigabytes of additional content including two huge "Design Elements" downloads totalling 1GB, I still only see three options in that section:- Collages, Image Border Effects and PiP basic. Do I need to do something to get them to to show up? I do have the "Premium" version. Could the answer lie in the repeated prompt every time I start, with it asking me if I want to download additional content, even though I already have...and then it takes me to a screen showing me they are all applied already...

Scratch that...its a "Store Purchase"... got it!

interesting. I installed MEP onto an old computer I have sitting on a shelf which does not have an iGPU. I wanted to get a base-line for testing. It is an i7-6850K which lacks the iGPU so it will be pure GPU. And yet when I try to dump a Gopro 4K file into the time-line up pops the HEVC-Codec activation, requiring me to buy what is essentially an Intel Codec.

@CubeAce

Hi Ray

. . . . I have the device ID and part number for the card  . . . .

AFAICS there is only one version of the GTX 1650 Super chip - the TU116 7th Gen.

It would appeaer as if Nvidia have a reverse numbering system for the Turing series as the 6th gen GTX 1650's use the TU117 chip, the RTX 2080 Ti the TU102 7th Gen.

@DesertSweeper

Hi

. . . .  I still only see three options in that section:- Collages, Image Border Effects and PiP basic. . . . .

That is what there should be - however when you click on one of the options you should see a lot more templates eg Collage has IIRC 80+ different templates.

. . . . Could the answer lie in the repeated prompt every time I start, with it asking me if I want to download additional content . . . .

No - and how to stop the re-appearance of this dialog is not obvious - see this comment for how to stop it

John EB

@DesertSweeper

Hi.

When you look at one of your HEVC files in Explorer, do you see the thumbnail? The Microsoft HEVC decoder is available from the Microsoft app store.

@johnebaker

I did wonder john as variants aren't mentioned at TechPowerUp. Thanks for the conformation.

Ray.

No worries I bought it. SO interesting initial results. My "baseline" PC is an older 12-Thread Core i7-6850K that I de-lided and overclocked back in the day. It is based on an ASUS X99 Workstation-class board and is overclocked to 4.1 Ghz stable with 32GB of QUAD-channel 4133 low-latency RAM. The thing is no slouch. But as I said has no iGPU. With the TITAN X feeding a 1080p Monitor and a second HD monitor it manages smooth 4K timeline scrubbing with "Reduce Resolution" enabled on my simple project. The CPU is maxed out on all threads and the GPU is pretty much idle. Rendering is much as fast as it was on the 8700K since it is the same card. But your "skewed geometry" file is unusable on this thing - even with Reduced Resolution AND Reduced Frame Rate. Just kinda jumps over the whole effect.

So then I chucked the RTX2080ti in there and its a whole different story. Now I can play my 4K test file and scrub back and forth without reduced anything, and it is smooth as butter. I notice the CPU with this card is now idling around 10% and the GPU is hovering around 60%. SO MEP is actually using the newer NVIDIA card. But when i load up your template-effect project scenario - it is back to nasty. I mean its a whole lot better than with the TITAN X - kind of usable with reduced everything. But not smooth as butter...more like cottage-cheese

And its much the same with the 8700K+RTX2070. There I see the CPU and the iGPU and GPU all being used, but even with reduced resolution and frame rate - nasty.

Its late, so tomorrow I will go about it more scientifically and will also try the new i7-12700K setup to see how that fares.

@CubeAce

To see what model GPU your card has, just run GPU-Z from Tech Power UP and it is displayed in the tab marked Graphics Card along with all the specs.

I have always been impressed by the quality of your uploads but seeing as your card does have the latest version of the NVENC chip also then you should only be seeing good if not better quality with the Nvidia HW encoding in 2022.

Something else Ray - I think the DJI files you use record I and P frames only ie. no B frames so you might want to take this into account when comparing relative Preview and Export performance. P frames require less processing than B's and encode / decode quicker. Do you Export with the same GOP structure as the captured files?

@johnebaker

Thanks for the correction - the 1650 Super on second look at the NVENC matrix does only have the TU116 and 7th Gen NVENC chip, whereas other 1650's can have different GPU builds and either 6th or 7th Gen NVENCs.

@DesertSweeper

I run 2 x QHD monitors (2560x1440). If you are running 4K monitors I think that would tax the graphics substantially more right?

2560 x 1440 is not QHD though - but yes, if you made the preview window the same viewing size on a UHD as on a HD monitor with the same physical dimensions, then it would be displaying frames at 4 times the resolution which would tax the system more.

@Scenestealer

Hi Peter.

I've been using Tech Power Up for some time now so I was bemused by your original statement as there was no sign of such chip changes mentioned on that site. Thankfully John has cleared that up.

As far as I can tell since I found ways to tweak MEP and VPX rendering I've not noticed a great change in quality since MEP 2020. I do from time to time though experiment with alternative settings for other codecs other than MP4.

You are correct about the DJI files being I and P frames only.

I make several changes to the output rendering options in both MEP and VPX including but not limited to.

Using the lowest compression available:

Keeping the GOP structure to half the frame rate where possible.

Choosing a GOP structure of all I frames.

This results in files that are much larger than necessary for normal viewing, but upload to YouTube every time using their best re-encoding codec (Vp09) regardless of the resolution of the file uploaded. HD gets the same treatment from YouTube as my 4K files do. They can take many hours to finally trans-code to the highest viewable setting though.

The exceptions you sometimes see are direct upload of files that have come from me using OBS studio to capture me playing with MEP and VPX.

There. You now know nearly all my 'Secret Sauce' additions to my upload files. 😇😉

Ray.

Huh...? Am I missing something....At least that is what my two monitors call themselves: ASUS 27" 1440P Eye Care Monitor (PB278Q) - QHD (2560 x 1440), IPS, DisplayPort, HDMI, DVI

And google pretty much yields, wherever you look:

720pHD (High Definition)1280 x 720 pixels

1080pFHD (Full HD)1920 x 1080 pixels

1200pWUXGA (Wide XGA)1920 x 1200 pixels

UW (Ultra-Wide) 1080pWFHD (Wide FHD)2560 x 1080 pixels

1440pQHD (Quad HD) or 2K2560 x 1440 pixels

UW 1440pWQHD (Wide QHD)3440 x 1440 pixels

@DesertSweeper

Hi.

Read this forums Q&As and everything will be clearer but still confusing.

Ray.

Pretty much says the same thing: "QHD (Quad HD), also sometimes advertised as WQHD due to its widescreen shape, or 1440p, is a display resolution of 2560x1440 pixels in a 16:9 aspect ratio. It has four times as many pixels as the 720p HDTV video standard, hence the name."

Anyhow I have spent the day playing with MEP and GPU's testing so far: NVIDIA RTX 2070 and 2080t cards and also tried dual-card combos and then played with AMD cards: Vega64 and 5700XT and even older R9's and Polaris cards I have lying about. Absolutely nothing in my world of previous-gen cards can smoothly play back your test-file. The final test I am busy with is the new i7-12700K setup, but I am still limited by a relatively slow 2080ti GPU.

Read this forums Q&As and everything will be clearer but still confusing.

Not confusing at all, it's pretty clear from that: 2560x1440 is QHD. Peter, into the naughty corner until my render completes (which will be hours)! 😄

@DesertSweeper @Scenestealer @johnebaker

Regarding the specification variations in naming and number convention confusion. This is nothing new. I first encountered the practice in the 70s with Hi-Fi equipment specs. At that time the Japanese started it because their products at the time were quite frankly inferior and had little impact on the higher end of the American and British brands despite quite a large price difference favouring the Japanese imports.

The same thing is happening now with manufacturers changing the terms they use or now worse the same terms to mean different things within the video and camera industry in general. People who can read the technical specs correctly and know which are important to a particular product are always suspicious of new types of measurements used in publicity blurb or technical data sheets. Missing specifications are just as much a red flag as altered ones. Software developers are just as bad and it's crept into the automotive industry as well.

Unfortunately IMO, this is the age in which we all live where honesty at a corporate level is almost completely missing.