Will be off line for a while.

CubeAce wrote on 2/2/2020, 5:52 PM

My Brilliant computer specialist son manged to completely destroy my PC earlier today trying out 'An Experiment' and we have had to completely rebuild my system from scratch 😱. I am currently updating all my drivers etc before reloading MEP and the other 30 odd programs I use so will not be able to visit again until at least Thursday I guess. At least I'll find out if any of the mishaps I've had lately with MEP will rectify themselves. I have email sorted so if anyone needs to contact me they can. On the plus side I have a small M2.1 drive to try out. 😅

Windows 10 Enterprise. version 1909.OS Build 18363.720. Latest Bios update as well as latest hardware updates for Western digital hard drives.

Asus ROG STRIX Z390-F Gaming motherboard with Supreme FX inboard audio using the S1220A code. Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU with 32GB of 2133MHz Corsair DDR4 ram. 1000 watt EVGA modular power supply. 2 x 320GB SSD drives striped for faster R/W times are my C: drive. 1 320gig Toshiba M2.1 drive. + x2 WD BLACK 2TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives. Total 4TB. Three external WD drives for backup. NVIDIA G Force GT 1030 Graphics clock 1252Mhz Memory data rate 6008Mhz. 384 CUDA cores. Memory interface 64bit Memory bandwidth 48.06 GB/s 2GB of dedicated video memory, shared system memory 9967MB PCi Express x4 Gen3. Running MEP Premium 19.0.2.58

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CubeAce wrote on 2/3/2020, 2:36 AM

Everything now working well except HEVC codec despit me having the Microsoft version on the machine. I did request a new activation code from the one I originally bought from Magix but the automated code won't activate it.

Any thoughts?

Windows 10 Enterprise. version 1909.OS Build 18363.720. Latest Bios update as well as latest hardware updates for Western digital hard drives.

Asus ROG STRIX Z390-F Gaming motherboard with Supreme FX inboard audio using the S1220A code. Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU with 32GB of 2133MHz Corsair DDR4 ram. 1000 watt EVGA modular power supply. 2 x 320GB SSD drives striped for faster R/W times are my C: drive. 1 320gig Toshiba M2.1 drive. + x2 WD BLACK 2TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives. Total 4TB. Three external WD drives for backup. NVIDIA G Force GT 1030 Graphics clock 1252Mhz Memory data rate 6008Mhz. 384 CUDA cores. Memory interface 64bit Memory bandwidth 48.06 GB/s 2GB of dedicated video memory, shared system memory 9967MB PCi Express x4 Gen3. Running MEP Premium 19.0.2.58

CubeAce wrote on 2/6/2020, 8:40 AM

The nice people at Magix got back to me with a new HEVC activation code. Fairly impressed considering how cheap it was when I first got it. Thankfully I don't store my emails on my C: drive and have backups so had all my original email activation codes and proof of purchase.

I have nearly got my system back to how it was and all of MEP appears to be working and updating as it should including getting back the use of the 3D title section. Updating seemed much less of a hassle in general this time around with all the additional content registering itself. (With the HEVC codec exception.)

I did lose an external drive, I don't know if that drive failing sent the whole system to fall over or not. Thankfully I have the drive's contents backed up. It was my oldest surviving external hard drive which was fourteen years old and pretty much connected to my PC all the time and used often so lasted well.

Ray.

Windows 10 Enterprise. version 1909.OS Build 18363.720. Latest Bios update as well as latest hardware updates for Western digital hard drives.

Asus ROG STRIX Z390-F Gaming motherboard with Supreme FX inboard audio using the S1220A code. Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU with 32GB of 2133MHz Corsair DDR4 ram. 1000 watt EVGA modular power supply. 2 x 320GB SSD drives striped for faster R/W times are my C: drive. 1 320gig Toshiba M2.1 drive. + x2 WD BLACK 2TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives. Total 4TB. Three external WD drives for backup. NVIDIA G Force GT 1030 Graphics clock 1252Mhz Memory data rate 6008Mhz. 384 CUDA cores. Memory interface 64bit Memory bandwidth 48.06 GB/s 2GB of dedicated video memory, shared system memory 9967MB PCi Express x4 Gen3. Running MEP Premium 19.0.2.58

browj2 wrote on 2/6/2020, 9:27 AM

@CubeAce

Hi Ray,

Always make sure that backups are done and working. I will follow my own advice in the future.

I suffered a failed HD last week. It was the one that I use for extraneous project files, amongst other things. The last back up was in 2016 for some strange reason. Fortunately, I had copied many of the folders to an external HD for use with my other computer. I am in the process of trying to recover files using EaseUS, and it is extremely slow. At least I can see the folders and filenames so I can go after only what I need and I know what was there.

I was feeling comfortable because every time that I looked up something in Everything, the file would be there 2 to 5 times.

So, plan for disasters.

I had almost finished a project, Trip to Iran, when this happened. I managed to recover the folder with the modified photos, but not the downloaded modified photos from Google or the travel routes done with Vasco da Gama - one of which I have been trying to recover for 2 days now - it's at 192MB and counting, but probably won't work.

I have the VdG project files elsewhere, but the maps done with VdG Streetmaps are on the affected drive; I have the project files elsewhere as well. It will be faster to just do them again rather than try to recover them. Etc.

However, I have probably lost some digitized material that cannot be recovered. Real PITA and discouraging.

John CB

John C.B.

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CubeAce wrote on 2/6/2020, 10:21 AM

@browj2

Hi John.

The items on the drive are all backed up as it was the backup drive that failed, not my current working drive. I have now transferred all my current working projects onto my third backup drive. Will get a new backup drive to replace the failed one ASAP but also have off site storage. I haven't lost any useful data since about 1998 but still not complacent about data loss. The main thing for me is keeping data stored logically so it's easy to find manually if need. So each year has it's own directory tree subdivided into subject and date of creation with a title of event and the edited content in further sub folders.

So a typical tree view for me would be:

2019 \ Video \ May \ Buckmore park \ Content (name) \ Edited: Or.

2019 \ photo \ April \ Chatham Dockyard \ Content (Festival of Steam) \ Edited \ To be sent: \ Contacts: etc.

Unfortunately I did not do a separate folder tree for program installation files this year. That will be rectified for MEP but was quick enough to restore from the Magix site . Cubase was easy to restore but needs the instillation disc anyway. Main problem is setting the program up after. Same as Photoshop.

 

Ray.

Windows 10 Enterprise. version 1909.OS Build 18363.720. Latest Bios update as well as latest hardware updates for Western digital hard drives.

Asus ROG STRIX Z390-F Gaming motherboard with Supreme FX inboard audio using the S1220A code. Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU with 32GB of 2133MHz Corsair DDR4 ram. 1000 watt EVGA modular power supply. 2 x 320GB SSD drives striped for faster R/W times are my C: drive. 1 320gig Toshiba M2.1 drive. + x2 WD BLACK 2TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives. Total 4TB. Three external WD drives for backup. NVIDIA G Force GT 1030 Graphics clock 1252Mhz Memory data rate 6008Mhz. 384 CUDA cores. Memory interface 64bit Memory bandwidth 48.06 GB/s 2GB of dedicated video memory, shared system memory 9967MB PCi Express x4 Gen3. Running MEP Premium 19.0.2.58

pmikep wrote on 2/6/2020, 7:37 PM

O.T., but how do you like the M2.1 drive? I just installed my first ever SSD and chose a regular SATA type for universal compatibility reasons. I know that M2's are faster. But I can't image my Win10 being much quicker now.

Started with MEP 11, then 17, then MX, then MEP 2013, 2015, then 2016. Changed to the fast competitor after that which worked fine with my non-Intel hardware. Then bought a used Dell with an Intel GPU, just to play with MEP again. Installed MEP 2020 Plus in March 2020, even tho I don't like loosing patches if I have to reinstall after a year.

Testing on a Dell Vostro, i3-8100, UHD 630, 16 GB 2400 DDR4 (CL15), Win10 Home, heavily NTLite'd. Now with GTX-1650 Super OC'd. Added a WD Blue SATA SSD for OS, Apps, Temps and Video-In. 2 Monitors.

CubeAce wrote on 2/7/2020, 2:40 AM

@pmikep

Hi.

My C: drive is still a SATA SSD at present (Look at my signature) as it is larger than the M2.1 which is only a 250gig example. At some point I will get a Samsung 970 PRO 512 GB NVMe M.2 for use as a C: drive as my motherboard supports both types, and may find a performance gain there but then again I may not, as when monitoring exporting or playing anything in MEP, the drive speeds hardly tick over. Nor does the CPU seem to make much difference whereas It looks as if I upgraded my graphics card, that seems to be the present bottleneck. Either that of the ram needs to be faster. I can't really tell at this point as I have no way of monitoring ram performance.

The M2.1 drive is currently empty. I intend to load projects onto the drive once I've got all my programs loaded and running again and see if there is any difference in performance, but my main reason for doing so is to see how much space MEP needs on a drive to work before it runs out of working space.

Ray.

Windows 10 Enterprise. version 1909.OS Build 18363.720. Latest Bios update as well as latest hardware updates for Western digital hard drives.

Asus ROG STRIX Z390-F Gaming motherboard with Supreme FX inboard audio using the S1220A code. Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU with 32GB of 2133MHz Corsair DDR4 ram. 1000 watt EVGA modular power supply. 2 x 320GB SSD drives striped for faster R/W times are my C: drive. 1 320gig Toshiba M2.1 drive. + x2 WD BLACK 2TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives. Total 4TB. Three external WD drives for backup. NVIDIA G Force GT 1030 Graphics clock 1252Mhz Memory data rate 6008Mhz. 384 CUDA cores. Memory interface 64bit Memory bandwidth 48.06 GB/s 2GB of dedicated video memory, shared system memory 9967MB PCi Express x4 Gen3. Running MEP Premium 19.0.2.58

pmikep wrote on 2/7/2020, 9:36 AM

Ah, okay. I normally don't look at Sigs. (And here in this forum, one has to click to open them.)

From what I've observed, writing video to a spinning drive is not a bottleneck. It might be that reading could go faster ... hmmm... I'll have to swap my In folder to the SSD to see. (The pro's over at Resolve say that drive speed can be a bottle neck. But they're moving HUGE uncompressed video around.)

WD has a new version of their M.2 out. It's not as fast as the 970. But it doesn't cost as much either. And at these speeds, I think it's diminishing returns on the 970. My apps load in one second with my new WD SATA SSD. Would be at 0.3 sec with a WD M.2. 0.15 sec with a 970.

As you've seen here, I bought a GTX-1650 Super to my box. (Gigabyte version for zero idle fans.) I expect you would see a big gain using it. It uses the same hardware encoder chip as the 20-series. So no point in paying for 20-series unless you need ray tracing.

Started with MEP 11, then 17, then MX, then MEP 2013, 2015, then 2016. Changed to the fast competitor after that which worked fine with my non-Intel hardware. Then bought a used Dell with an Intel GPU, just to play with MEP again. Installed MEP 2020 Plus in March 2020, even tho I don't like loosing patches if I have to reinstall after a year.

Testing on a Dell Vostro, i3-8100, UHD 630, 16 GB 2400 DDR4 (CL15), Win10 Home, heavily NTLite'd. Now with GTX-1650 Super OC'd. Added a WD Blue SATA SSD for OS, Apps, Temps and Video-In. 2 Monitors.

pmikep wrote on 2/7/2020, 10:25 AM

Interesting ... I moved my Video "In" folder (the output of OBS Studio) to my SSD. The largest video file that I have (so far) for testing is a 20 GB mp4.

I suppose it should have been obvious, but the file loads into the Timeline a lot faster when on the SSD as opposed to my single 7200 RPM HD. (I have RAID 10 on my other box, which is almost as fast as my SATA SSD for sequential read/writes.) Still some bottlenecks as a proxy file is generated. (This test is on a competing program. I am waiting for an update to MEP 2020 before I install it here.)

So that's that. From now on, I will use my spinning drive for output during encoding.

Started with MEP 11, then 17, then MX, then MEP 2013, 2015, then 2016. Changed to the fast competitor after that which worked fine with my non-Intel hardware. Then bought a used Dell with an Intel GPU, just to play with MEP again. Installed MEP 2020 Plus in March 2020, even tho I don't like loosing patches if I have to reinstall after a year.

Testing on a Dell Vostro, i3-8100, UHD 630, 16 GB 2400 DDR4 (CL15), Win10 Home, heavily NTLite'd. Now with GTX-1650 Super OC'd. Added a WD Blue SATA SSD for OS, Apps, Temps and Video-In. 2 Monitors.

johnebaker wrote on 2/7/2020, 10:30 AM

@pmikep

Hi

. . . . bought a GTX-1650 Super to my box. (Gigabyte version for zero idle fans.) I expect you would see a big gain using it. . . . .

I do believe you have already been told that MEP requires the Intel iGPU active for Hardware Acceleration - this includes rendering.

MEP does not currently support the NVENC encoding available on modern Nvidia GPU cards.

Video Pro X can use NVENC however it is restricted to HEVC (h.265) only and is very fast when used for exporting as HEVC video.

. . . . writing video to a spinning drive is not a bottleneck. It might be that reading could go faster . . . .

Reading the data from a drive is not a bottleneck either.

What can make a difference is not reading and writing from the same drive, especially if you have only one drive that also contains the OS.

In my PC setup, all data is stored, and read from, a second hard drive ( drive 1 is OS and programs only ), rendered and written to a 3rd drive (SSD).

HTH

John EB

 

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CubeAce wrote on 2/7/2020, 11:01 AM

@johnebaker

Hi John.

My graphics card is doing something during exporting even if it's not the encoding of the file it may be rendering some of MEPs effects. If that is the case would it not allow the Intel chip to do it's own thing a bit more efficiently during the export? My machine actually slows down by about a fifth if I have my lowly graphics card in use during exporting but when in use the Intel processor also slows a bit, but you have a recommended card for the latest version of MEP. Do you see a difference in export times with it switched in or out or no difference?

Ray.

Windows 10 Enterprise. version 1909.OS Build 18363.720. Latest Bios update as well as latest hardware updates for Western digital hard drives.

Asus ROG STRIX Z390-F Gaming motherboard with Supreme FX inboard audio using the S1220A code. Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU with 32GB of 2133MHz Corsair DDR4 ram. 1000 watt EVGA modular power supply. 2 x 320GB SSD drives striped for faster R/W times are my C: drive. 1 320gig Toshiba M2.1 drive. + x2 WD BLACK 2TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives. Total 4TB. Three external WD drives for backup. NVIDIA G Force GT 1030 Graphics clock 1252Mhz Memory data rate 6008Mhz. 384 CUDA cores. Memory interface 64bit Memory bandwidth 48.06 GB/s 2GB of dedicated video memory, shared system memory 9967MB PCi Express x4 Gen3. Running MEP Premium 19.0.2.58

pmikep wrote on 2/7/2020, 12:49 PM
I do believe you have already been told that MEP requires the Intel iGPU active for Hardware Acceleration - this includes rendering.

MEP does not currently support the NVENC encoding available on modern Nvidia GPU cards.

Yes, I knew that before I bought MEP2020. So as I've reported earlier, I bought a used Dell Win10 machine with an Intel i-3 8100.

But as I have also reported, and as @CubeAce has confirmed (as I believe you have also acknowledged), MEP does use the Nvidia for some things during an encode. In fact, according to my testing here, I get vastly different results choosing the Nvidia over the Intel GPU for encoding different flavors of mp4.

I still need to make a video for the forum about it. (But will have to wait until I install non-trial MEP 2020.)

Started with MEP 11, then 17, then MX, then MEP 2013, 2015, then 2016. Changed to the fast competitor after that which worked fine with my non-Intel hardware. Then bought a used Dell with an Intel GPU, just to play with MEP again. Installed MEP 2020 Plus in March 2020, even tho I don't like loosing patches if I have to reinstall after a year.

Testing on a Dell Vostro, i3-8100, UHD 630, 16 GB 2400 DDR4 (CL15), Win10 Home, heavily NTLite'd. Now with GTX-1650 Super OC'd. Added a WD Blue SATA SSD for OS, Apps, Temps and Video-In. 2 Monitors.

pmikep wrote on 2/7/2020, 1:00 PM
Reading the data from a drive is not a bottleneck either.

What can make a difference is not reading and writing from the same drive, especially if you have only one drive that also contains the OS.

In my PC setup, all data is stored, and read from, a second hard drive ( drive 1 is OS and programs only ), rendered and written to a 3rd drive (SSD).

I had a similar setup too, albeit with two spinners for reading and writing.

You're probably correct that, for the actual encoding, it doesn't matter if one is using a spinner to read the video because encoding is slower by comparison. (I haven't tested that.)

I was simply referring to the initial loading of video in the time line. I notice a noticeable difference loading video on the timeline when I read it from my new SSD.

 

Started with MEP 11, then 17, then MX, then MEP 2013, 2015, then 2016. Changed to the fast competitor after that which worked fine with my non-Intel hardware. Then bought a used Dell with an Intel GPU, just to play with MEP again. Installed MEP 2020 Plus in March 2020, even tho I don't like loosing patches if I have to reinstall after a year.

Testing on a Dell Vostro, i3-8100, UHD 630, 16 GB 2400 DDR4 (CL15), Win10 Home, heavily NTLite'd. Now with GTX-1650 Super OC'd. Added a WD Blue SATA SSD for OS, Apps, Temps and Video-In. 2 Monitors.

johnebaker wrote on 2/7/2020, 3:01 PM

@CubeAce

Hi Ray

. . . . My graphics card is doing something during exporting even if it's not the encoding of the file it may be rendering some of MEPs effects . . . .

That may be the case for a few of the effects, however IIRC your setup is similar to mine and the activity I see on RTX is basically driving the monitor with <4% usage, it appears to be virtually idling and may get to 6% usage if the render dialog is on that monitor and is showing the 'live' render preview.

. . . . but you have a recommended card for the latest version of MEP. Do you see a difference in export times with it switched in or out or no difference . . . .

Assuming you are referring to the RTX 2060 card - it is not used by MEP when rendering, and I see no significant difference in render times when just using the UHD 630 with both monitors attached compared to when 1 monitor is on the RTX and the other is on the UHD 630.

The big difference is when exporting HEVC in VPX - the RTX 2060 is about 2 - 3 x faster than the iGPU.

HTH

John EB

Lateral thinking can get things done!

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Running Windows 10 64bit on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16Gb RAM, 1Tb + 2 x 2Tb internal HDD + 60Gb internal SSD, + 6 x 2Tb ext HDDs, Sony FDR-AX53 Video camera, Contour HD 1080 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

CubeAce wrote on 2/7/2020, 6:01 PM

@johnebaker

@browj2

@pmikep

So for me this is getting interesting again.

I looked at your reply and tried the following.

First I tried copying a project that had no imported files to my M.2 drive (J). The project loaded very fast but was sluggish to respond despite the files it needed being on my D drive which is a WD Black drive. Export times were as I normally experience for my system a I normally have a good mixture of effects and animated titles. Both my NVIDIA and Intel GPUs showed the normal amount of activity and export times because of my excessive export quality I use was the usual around three times longer than the project length. So apart from the project loading a bit quicker there was no real change to performance in either playback or exporting.

Next I imported the project with the video clips used to my M.2 drive.

The project opened more slowly but playback was the smoothest I've ever managed so far. Pulling the timeline marker across the timeline produced almost instantaneous smooth following of the video in the editing window.

Next to no CPU use. Lots of activity from both NVIDIA and Intel GPUs.

Tried an export in MEPs own MP4 format.

At the start of the project with lots of animated titling this was the result.

Please note the NVIDIA GPU is working while the Intel GPU is practically idling.

The Disk I am writing to (D) is idle apart from a blip at the beginning.

The project disc (J) is idle.

The only disc showing activity is the Main C: drive.

CPU usage is low.

I am not showing the export preview window during any of this.

Once I get past the titling things change a bit PC working wise.

The Disk I'm writing to (D) is still not recording anything.

The Project disk (J) is showing some, but not much action.

My main C: drive (SSD) is showing a slight increase in activity.

Both GPUs are now working more. Although the Intel GPU is showing less activity because it's newer and more suited to MEP it is probably ( But I'm not certain) that it is doing more work than the NVIDIA GPU.

There is slight increase in the CPU usage.

The increase in rendering speed once past the titling now accelerates and the predicted export time tumbles from is previous 22min estimate. It's the fastest export time I've had for this project so far by a good margin and then there is the pause we normally see at the end where the remaining time estimated freezes just before it finishes.

Bang: Disc D now goes into overdrive being written to possibly as fast as it can manage it.

Project drive (J) comes to a standstill.

C: drive goes close to idling.

Both GPUs stop processing around the same time.

 

Then I tried an equal HEVC export.

The results were similar but with a different mix of GPU usage and the export ended up taking longer.

 

 

So there has been quite a nice gain using the M.2 drive but not sure what configuration in future will give best performance.

My guesses would be.

Put an NVMe M.2 drive in for my C: drive and keep running projects from the slower M2 drive and export to the SSD.

Or.

Put the operating system on the slower M2 drive and run the project from the faster NVMe M.2 drive and export to the SSD drive.

I've no idea which way around would be better as unfortunately I don't have two NVMe M.2 drive slots.

Add a higher spec NVIDIA card before or after I've added an NVMe M.2 drive.

Does ram speed play any part in this?

So many questions.

Ray.

 

 

Windows 10 Enterprise. version 1909.OS Build 18363.720. Latest Bios update as well as latest hardware updates for Western digital hard drives.

Asus ROG STRIX Z390-F Gaming motherboard with Supreme FX inboard audio using the S1220A code. Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU with 32GB of 2133MHz Corsair DDR4 ram. 1000 watt EVGA modular power supply. 2 x 320GB SSD drives striped for faster R/W times are my C: drive. 1 320gig Toshiba M2.1 drive. + x2 WD BLACK 2TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives. Total 4TB. Three external WD drives for backup. NVIDIA G Force GT 1030 Graphics clock 1252Mhz Memory data rate 6008Mhz. 384 CUDA cores. Memory interface 64bit Memory bandwidth 48.06 GB/s 2GB of dedicated video memory, shared system memory 9967MB PCi Express x4 Gen3. Running MEP Premium 19.0.2.58

pmikep wrote on 2/7/2020, 7:08 PM

As I think about it more, to be accurate on my part, I agree/understand that MEP 2020 doesn't use the Nvidia NEVC Hardware encoder. But since it's clear that MEP sometimes uses the Nvidia during encode, perhaps it is using the Shader cores? Whatever it's using, I suggested the GTX-1650 Super because it does whatever it does faster than @CubeAce 's current external GPU. As a bonus, if @CubeAce ever uses OBS or Handbrake or StaxRip - or Blender, etc. he can benefit from the Turin hardware encoder on the Super.

Started with MEP 11, then 17, then MX, then MEP 2013, 2015, then 2016. Changed to the fast competitor after that which worked fine with my non-Intel hardware. Then bought a used Dell with an Intel GPU, just to play with MEP again. Installed MEP 2020 Plus in March 2020, even tho I don't like loosing patches if I have to reinstall after a year.

Testing on a Dell Vostro, i3-8100, UHD 630, 16 GB 2400 DDR4 (CL15), Win10 Home, heavily NTLite'd. Now with GTX-1650 Super OC'd. Added a WD Blue SATA SSD for OS, Apps, Temps and Video-In. 2 Monitors.

pmikep wrote on 2/7/2020, 7:22 PM

As for drives - I don't have MEP installed at the moment, so I don't recall if we set a temp file for it. Another editor I use does make "Shadow (proxy) files," which it stores on my OS drive. :-(

There is a way to fake that out, to create links in Windows to point the files to another drive / folder. But for now, I have enough room on my C: drive and the Shadow files aren't that large. And since my OS, and App, and Data are all on my new SSD ...

I expect that MEP probably stores its proxy files (I forget what we call the Blue Lightning bolt thingie) on the C: drive too. (Would be nice to be able to set a temp file.)

Whatever, it seems to me that the video assets and whatever temp/scratch files are being used should be on the fastest SSD both for loading purposes and for scrubbing purposes. (Per Ray. I had forgotten to scrub.)

Once a program is running, I expect that the necessary code is loaded in RAM. So except for the initial start of the app, or possibly opening a stub (like Stabilization) I don't expect that the App files have to be loaded on the fastest drive.

But as with Ray, I have limited options here. In my case, only one SATA SSD and two spinners to play with.

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Started with MEP 11, then 17, then MX, then MEP 2013, 2015, then 2016. Changed to the fast competitor after that which worked fine with my non-Intel hardware. Then bought a used Dell with an Intel GPU, just to play with MEP again. Installed MEP 2020 Plus in March 2020, even tho I don't like loosing patches if I have to reinstall after a year.

Testing on a Dell Vostro, i3-8100, UHD 630, 16 GB 2400 DDR4 (CL15), Win10 Home, heavily NTLite'd. Now with GTX-1650 Super OC'd. Added a WD Blue SATA SSD for OS, Apps, Temps and Video-In. 2 Monitors.

CubeAce wrote on 2/7/2020, 7:56 PM

@pmikep

Hi.

I'm fairly certain that any proxy files are written to the project folder. If I'm wrong then I'm sure one of the more enlightened will inform me.

As I said though, there are lots of questions. Could (if there is enough ram) the whole lot be stored on ram until MEP is ready to write the file to the destination drive and only start using the C: drive when there isn't?

Part of what puzzled me was the increased response to scrubbing and general smoothness of playback by storing the project on the M2 drive when all the files needed for the project were on the same drive.

This got me thinking and and did a third export, this time to the C: drive which is SSD. The overall export time was almost identical. The surprise was there was no pause at the end or sign of it being written to the drive during the export. The export just reached the end of the progress bar and played back immediately, catching me out completely and caused me to miss the exact moment to take a screen shot and the difference you see in this one.

Whatever. I still have no idea why any of this is doing what MEP is doing or relate as to what to put where for best results. I agree it would seem to me to be useful to be able to chose where to put any Temp files. Unless for whatever reason it would be a bad idea?

Getting more confused by the minute.

Ray.

 

 

Windows 10 Enterprise. version 1909.OS Build 18363.720. Latest Bios update as well as latest hardware updates for Western digital hard drives.

Asus ROG STRIX Z390-F Gaming motherboard with Supreme FX inboard audio using the S1220A code. Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU with 32GB of 2133MHz Corsair DDR4 ram. 1000 watt EVGA modular power supply. 2 x 320GB SSD drives striped for faster R/W times are my C: drive. 1 320gig Toshiba M2.1 drive. + x2 WD BLACK 2TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives. Total 4TB. Three external WD drives for backup. NVIDIA G Force GT 1030 Graphics clock 1252Mhz Memory data rate 6008Mhz. 384 CUDA cores. Memory interface 64bit Memory bandwidth 48.06 GB/s 2GB of dedicated video memory, shared system memory 9967MB PCi Express x4 Gen3. Running MEP Premium 19.0.2.58

pmikep wrote on 2/7/2020, 11:14 PM

Well, there are a lot of things that I can't explain. Nevertheless, the test results are what they are. Sounds like you are converging on a fast solution!

Started with MEP 11, then 17, then MX, then MEP 2013, 2015, then 2016. Changed to the fast competitor after that which worked fine with my non-Intel hardware. Then bought a used Dell with an Intel GPU, just to play with MEP again. Installed MEP 2020 Plus in March 2020, even tho I don't like loosing patches if I have to reinstall after a year.

Testing on a Dell Vostro, i3-8100, UHD 630, 16 GB 2400 DDR4 (CL15), Win10 Home, heavily NTLite'd. Now with GTX-1650 Super OC'd. Added a WD Blue SATA SSD for OS, Apps, Temps and Video-In. 2 Monitors.

johnebaker wrote on 2/8/2020, 5:16 AM

@pmikep

Hi

. . . . Blender, etc. he can benefit . . . .

Blender is the reason I have the 2060 installed.

. . . . if we set a temp file for it . . . .

AFAICS MEP does not use a known 'temp' folder, however it does appear to render to an intermediate location before copying it into the the actual file specified in the export dialog, I have not definitively found where the 'temp' location is

@CubeAce

Hi Ray

. . . . any proxy files are written to the project folder . . . .

To be more specific they are written to the same folder that the source videos are located in.

. . . .Part of what puzzled me was the increased response to scrubbing and general smoothness of playback by storing the project on the M2 drive when all the files needed for the project were on the same drive. . . . .

That does not surprise me, MEP renders the Preview on the fly, however, if you have all the Preview monitor effects turned on (lightning symbol is blue), it is, IIRC, at 1/4 resolution of the project settings and lower framerate.

HTH

John EB

 

 

Lateral thinking can get things done!

VPX, MEP Premium, MEP 2016, and earlier versions, Music Maker Premium, Music Maker 2016, 2015.

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CubeAce wrote on 2/8/2020, 8:39 AM

@johnebaker

Hi John.

So you are saying if I import the video clips I'm using into the project folder, any proxy files will reside in the project folder but if I leave the files in use on another drive the proxy files are put in that folder instead. That may explain a few things.

I'm beginning to wonder whether the 'Temp' file is put into ram or virtual memory if there isn't enough ram free.

Apart from some troublesome playback issues associated with graphic heavy content alongside added effects, I am not using proxy files, or reduced frame rates, or resolutions so far. For those sections only I do a pre-render. Those are the sections that generally slow down during the exporting of files. It always has been that way on my system but even that has sped up slightly. No component now seems close to maxing out but equally not much in the way of hardware is being utilised beyond 64%. The odd spike here and there does occur on either GPU but never the CPU.

Not that I'm complaining. I've gone from waiting over sixteen hours for a project to render when I fist came to the forum to under four minutes for the same project.

Ray.

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Windows 10 Enterprise. version 1909.OS Build 18363.720. Latest Bios update as well as latest hardware updates for Western digital hard drives.

Asus ROG STRIX Z390-F Gaming motherboard with Supreme FX inboard audio using the S1220A code. Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU with 32GB of 2133MHz Corsair DDR4 ram. 1000 watt EVGA modular power supply. 2 x 320GB SSD drives striped for faster R/W times are my C: drive. 1 320gig Toshiba M2.1 drive. + x2 WD BLACK 2TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives. Total 4TB. Three external WD drives for backup. NVIDIA G Force GT 1030 Graphics clock 1252Mhz Memory data rate 6008Mhz. 384 CUDA cores. Memory interface 64bit Memory bandwidth 48.06 GB/s 2GB of dedicated video memory, shared system memory 9967MB PCi Express x4 Gen3. Running MEP Premium 19.0.2.58

johnebaker wrote on 2/8/2020, 8:59 AM

@CubeAce

Hi Ray

. . . . import the video clips I'm using into the project folder, any proxy files will reside in the project folder but if I leave the files in use on another drive the proxy files are put in that folder instead. . . . .

Yes.

. . . . whether the 'Temp' file is put into ram or virtual memory . . . .

From what I am seeing so far - it appears to be 'nowhere'. IMHO there is little to be gained from spending a lot of time chasing it down as I suspect you will not see anything.

. . . . a pre-render . . . .

The pre-rendered file(s) are in the PerfBounce folder which is within your default projects folder as set in the program settings and it should be emptied after closing MEP or starting a new project.

. . . . No component now seems close to maxing out but equally not much in the way of hardware is being utilised beyond 64%. . . . .

I would be worried if the utilisation is approaching 100% with your specs - it would indicate that the hardware is not performing or is not 'powerful' enough. The lower the better.

John EB

Lateral thinking can get things done!

VPX, MEP Premium, MEP 2016, and earlier versions, Music Maker Premium, Music Maker 2016, 2015.

Running Windows 10 64bit on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16Gb RAM, 1Tb + 2 x 2Tb internal HDD + 60Gb internal SSD, + 6 x 2Tb ext HDDs, Sony FDR-AX53 Video camera, Contour HD 1080 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

pmikep wrote on 2/8/2020, 12:27 PM

I'm way off topic, but out of curiosity @johnebaker how quickly does the BMW benchmark take on Blender 2.81a with your 2060?

Started with MEP 11, then 17, then MX, then MEP 2013, 2015, then 2016. Changed to the fast competitor after that which worked fine with my non-Intel hardware. Then bought a used Dell with an Intel GPU, just to play with MEP again. Installed MEP 2020 Plus in March 2020, even tho I don't like loosing patches if I have to reinstall after a year.

Testing on a Dell Vostro, i3-8100, UHD 630, 16 GB 2400 DDR4 (CL15), Win10 Home, heavily NTLite'd. Now with GTX-1650 Super OC'd. Added a WD Blue SATA SSD for OS, Apps, Temps and Video-In. 2 Monitors.

CubeAce wrote on 2/9/2020, 4:25 PM

@browj2

@johnebaker

OK. Now I'm completely baffled.

For the want of something better to do today I tried exporting both highest quality MP4 and HEVC 4K export using both my M2 drive for the project files and then one of my WD Black drives and the WD Black drive gave a faster rendering time of 33% in all instances with no difference in export times whether my Nvidia card was in use or not.

Previously my other project export was HD where I found a big improvement.

Windows 10 Enterprise. version 1909.OS Build 18363.720. Latest Bios update as well as latest hardware updates for Western digital hard drives.

Asus ROG STRIX Z390-F Gaming motherboard with Supreme FX inboard audio using the S1220A code. Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU with 32GB of 2133MHz Corsair DDR4 ram. 1000 watt EVGA modular power supply. 2 x 320GB SSD drives striped for faster R/W times are my C: drive. 1 320gig Toshiba M2.1 drive. + x2 WD BLACK 2TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives. Total 4TB. Three external WD drives for backup. NVIDIA G Force GT 1030 Graphics clock 1252Mhz Memory data rate 6008Mhz. 384 CUDA cores. Memory interface 64bit Memory bandwidth 48.06 GB/s 2GB of dedicated video memory, shared system memory 9967MB PCi Express x4 Gen3. Running MEP Premium 19.0.2.58

pmikep wrote on 2/9/2020, 8:48 PM

Caching somewhere? You might need to do a power down/reset to ensure all caches/buffers are cleared between tests. (Welcome to my world of beta testing.)

Started with MEP 11, then 17, then MX, then MEP 2013, 2015, then 2016. Changed to the fast competitor after that which worked fine with my non-Intel hardware. Then bought a used Dell with an Intel GPU, just to play with MEP again. Installed MEP 2020 Plus in March 2020, even tho I don't like loosing patches if I have to reinstall after a year.

Testing on a Dell Vostro, i3-8100, UHD 630, 16 GB 2400 DDR4 (CL15), Win10 Home, heavily NTLite'd. Now with GTX-1650 Super OC'd. Added a WD Blue SATA SSD for OS, Apps, Temps and Video-In. 2 Monitors.