Wishlist for the next Music Maker!

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Mykeehu wrote on 11/6/2022, 3:15 PM

Song Maker AI is a great thing, but it lacks two important things that can currently only be solved in an XML file. Generate music for
- time and/or
- BPM
Because there are many times when I need to generate music for a given time (for example for a video, so it's not good to generate it for a new project), but I can't specify a fixed time. Or I want to create Christmas music with 75 BPM, but in a different style, so I can set the BPM afterwards, but it would be nice if I could set it before generation and it would change the parameters based on that. Really the most important thing for me would be to generate on time without modifying the XML file, so when I specify it, it doesn't read from the XML, but what I specify.

browj2 wrote on 11/7/2022, 8:08 AM

@Mykeehu

Interesting concept. That would be something like SmartSound, which I would like very much, as I do the same as you - create music for home videos. However, even SmartSound does not give exactly the duration requested, as far as I recall, close, but not spot on.

As for BPM, remember that you're working with loops that were recorded with a certain BPM. Any significant change might not sound good.

SongMaker allows you to select song parts. These are put together based on the way that songs are usually done - x bars per part, depending on the part, so x bars per Intro, Verse, Bridge, etc. I select the song parts that help me get close. Just telling the program that you want a certain length would not tell it which song parts that you want. Then, I may modify the intro and outro to get closer to the length I want. In any event, I always have to play around with the song, the loops, etc., especially endings.

In the video editor, you can adjust the speed, very slightly, to help get closer to the length that you want.

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Mykeehu wrote on 11/7/2022, 3:07 PM

Yes, I was also wondering about SmartSound, if Magix could provide such a solution, because I used to use it in Pinnacle Studio, but I haven't found such a solution since then, maybe there was an online solution. I have Vegas Pro, but it edits music using Sound Forge, but I haven't looked into Song Maker AI. For clips, Instagram and TikTok videos, a truly AI generator would be nice.
Since Music Maker can also receive video, it would be nice to edit the two in one, since I can compose the audio tracks to a given length, maybe close to that length, but if we live in an AI world, you can even look at the beat or selections based on the dynamics and editing of the video.
I know this is very much the future, but we're moving in that direction, and not generate based on XML, but even based on time, beat, cut. Wave alignment is already going, but it's harder for an amateur like me to learn.

Mykeehu wrote on 11/7/2022, 5:38 PM

What would also be nice is to be able to read the BPM value from the metadata in the File Manager window, if available. It would be helpful to know which loops can be inserted into existing music.

browj2 wrote on 11/7/2022, 5:45 PM

@Mykeehu

Hi,

I have Vegas Pro, but it edits music using Sound Forge

No, it doesn't really do that. Vegas uses Sound Forge as an external audio editor to edit audio files from the timeline. You can create record music separately using Sound Forge, but its main purpose is as a wave editor, it is not a DAW (Digital Audio Workstation). Music Maker is close to a DAW, just missing some features.

Vegas is missing the audio and music features available in Magix Movie Studio Platinum/Suite and Video Pro X. The latter come with a Soundtrack Maker wizard that is somewhat similar to what you saw in Pinnacle Studio's built-in song maker. It uses a version of Music Maker with templates but a very old version of Song Maker, tailored for the video editor. I can give it a duration ( a range) but it doesn't quite respect it, trying to use even bars (not portions of bars) to create the song. It has Mood changes and can be set to cut to the beat. It would be nice if Magix would update this to be able to use the Song Maker and Soundpools of Music Maker.

As Magix indicates in the manual, do not expect anything great from Song Maker.

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Mykeehu wrote on 11/15/2022, 3:42 PM

That's what I need with a collaboration between Vegas and Music Maker (or Sound Forge):

 

 

johnebaker wrote on 11/16/2022, 6:56 AM

@Mykeehu

Hi

Technically your question should be in the Vegas forums as you want to connect/use Music Maker/Sound Forge with a Vegas video editor.

. . . . collaboration between Vegas and Music Maker (or Sound Forge) . . . .

As you are referring to Sound Forge and Music Maker, from this aspect Sound Forge can be used as the eternal audio editor - set this in Vegas in the programs Options. Preferences, Audio tab .

Music Maker however, though it can be set as an external editor, will not work as it is not an audio editor in the same sense as Sound Forge is.

If you are wanting to create sound tracks then Music Maker must be used independantly to create the soundtrack and then exported to a suitable audio format for importing into Vegas

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Mykeehu wrote on 11/16/2022, 3:33 PM

Dear @johnebaker

What I need is to be able to add a generated, and therefore unique, soundtrack to the video. Music Maker is able to open the video, so for post-production it would be great if I could generate music under the edited movie, for a given precision, or even for cuts.
I was thinking of Music Maker because it already has a partial AI generator, Sound Forge doesn't have one as far as I know (but I could be wrong). That's why it would be good to link the programs, all four of them. Vegas, Sound Forge, Magix Movie Maker and Magix Music Maker. I miss the ability to make music to an AI exact (movie) length.

johnebaker wrote on 11/17/2022, 8:01 AM

@Mykeehu

Hi

Please create a new topic as this one is the Wishlist for new features in Music Maker.

A better answer can be given then and your topic will not get lost in this one.

Thanks

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Raymond-Arotin wrote on 11/24/2022, 7:54 AM

I noticed that when I use the Song Maker AI, that if I save a project... then exit out of the program. Then load the project again... The Song Maker AI, resets itself and you can't continue where you left off. Even if you freeze the instruments, it will still regenerate new ones. And it doesn't remember the Template that you were using. It seems like you only have one "session" to use the Song Maker AI. Once you close the program, there's no way to bring that same session back. That really sucks. That should be fixed.

So... I guess my "wish" for a new feature is the ability to save these Song Maker AI sessions along with your project.

browj2 wrote on 11/24/2022, 8:05 AM

@Raymond-Arotin

...the ability to save these Song Maker AI sessions along with your project.

+1

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