Confused over Movie Studio 18 trajectory

pmikep wrote on 7/30/2021, 12:22 PM

So, I've been watching this forum for a while and I see that we're supposed to "upgrade" to Movie Studio 18. (?)

First, I'm confused because we were at MEP 2021. Now it drops "back" to 18? Almost sounds like the old MEP 11, 15, 18 monikers.

Second, if it's going to be Movie Studio 18, will this Support site start to offer a Movie Studio 18 category?

Third, the email blasts to me from Magix keep making it sound like a MEP 2022 is imminent. Is it? Or will there now be a delay as Magix reformulates its product?

Fourth, will MS 18 be an overlay upgrade to MEP? Or will I have to install (and pay for) an entirely new program? If the former, will the 1 year upgrade model stay intact? Or is there something new here too?

I don't do enough with MEP that I need to upgrade. But even if I did, I think I would wait for the dust to settle before upgrading.

Update: And, after writing this, I just now went to Magix's website. I don't see anything about Movie Studio 18, even tho I noticed that some here in the forum have upgraded/installed it.

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Started with MEP 11, then 17, then MX, then MEP 2013, 2015, then 2016. Changed to the fast competitor after that, which worked fine with my non-Intel hardware. Then bought a used Dell with an Intel GPU, just to play with MEP again. Installed MEP 2020 Plus in March 2020, even tho I don't like losing patches if I have to reinstall after a year.

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emmrecs wrote on 7/30/2021, 1:33 PM

@pmikep

Although I don't think they will answer all your questions, can I recommend reading this thread, and this one, and this one?

Magix Movie Studio 18 is a rebadged Movie Edit Pro; this was confirmed to me during a telephone conversation with a member of Magix staff. The former Vegas Movie Studio line is now discontinued. As you will see, users of this software are being encouraged to move to Magix Movie Studio if they do not wish to upgrade to Vegas Pro, although, as of now, it is not possible to fully open in MMS 18 projects created in earlier versions of VMS. We are told, a future patch should resolve this issue.

As for a new version of MEP, that is possible though I have heard and seen no definite news yet; there is a consensus, I think, that MEP and MMS will, eventually, become one single product.

HTH

Jeff
 

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pmikep wrote on 7/30/2021, 2:14 PM

Thanks. I had seen the last post.

The first pre-echoed what I posted.

I'll wait and watch from the side lines.

Started with MEP 11, then 17, then MX, then MEP 2013, 2015, then 2016. Changed to the fast competitor after that, which worked fine with my non-Intel hardware. Then bought a used Dell with an Intel GPU, just to play with MEP again. Installed MEP 2020 Plus in March 2020, even tho I don't like losing patches if I have to reinstall after a year.

Testing on a Dell Vostro, <s>i3-8100</s> updated to i5-9400 w/ UHD 630, 16 GB 2400 DDR4 (CL15), Win10 Home, heavily NTLite'd. Now with GTX-1650 Super OC'd. Added a WD Blue M.2 for OS (PCIe 3), Apps, Temps and Video-In. 2 Monitors. A WD Blue SSD for outputs. (SATA III.)

CubeAce wrote on 7/30/2021, 2:34 PM

@pmikep

Hi Mike. Long time no see.

Movie studio 18 is the progression of Vegas Movie Studio 17 and as Vegas has dropped Movie Studio from its development program Magix has stepped in offering MEP 2021 with additional coding to allow the import of veg files so older Vegas Movie studio projects can be imported but it all seems a rush and at present is not fully supported with only files being imported in order but with no presets of effects copied over. That apparently is a work in progress. As such the upgrade offer is only found on the Vegas site along with another upgrade path to a more expensive Vegas editor at a reduced introductory price for a short period if they wish to stay in the Vegas family.

Although Movie Studio 18 is MEP 2021 in all but name and new purchasers really may not need the Vegas project compatibility, it is offered as an upgrade path although I'd call it a cross grade personally. As such it should be on the Vegas site and not perhaps on the Magix Site where it would cause confusion between it and MEP 2021.

Maybe after a few updates of MEP it will disappear from the Vegas site after a year where there will be no upgrade offered from a non Vegas product. Magix Studio 19 perhaps along with maybe Movie Edit Pro 2022 advertised on the Magix site or an announcement of the joining of the two?

As for a MEP 2022. Where have you been bombarded with messages? I've had nothing. They haven't fixed VPX 13 yet so I doubt they will update MEP until VPX 13 is working much better.

Those that have downloaded Movie Studio 18 have come by and large from the Vegas site.

Started reply earlier but tea interrupted. 😋😋😋

Ray.

 

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pmikep wrote on 7/30/2021, 2:49 PM

This British "tea" thing is quite a thing, isn't it? Could probably be used in an old WW II Concentration Camp setting to weed out spies.

Anyway, yeah, I think that "cross-grade" is a better term.

As for being bombarded - I get emails from Magix almost every day (maybe every other) telling me that 1) my subscription has expired and that 2) there's a new version of MEP right around the corner.

Although they've been teasing the latter for months now. Like the boy crying "Wolf." (Do you all have that fable too?)

Considering the debacle when Magix released VPX 13, I'm not going to jump on an upgrade to MEP any time soon.

Started with MEP 11, then 17, then MX, then MEP 2013, 2015, then 2016. Changed to the fast competitor after that, which worked fine with my non-Intel hardware. Then bought a used Dell with an Intel GPU, just to play with MEP again. Installed MEP 2020 Plus in March 2020, even tho I don't like losing patches if I have to reinstall after a year.

Testing on a Dell Vostro, <s>i3-8100</s> updated to i5-9400 w/ UHD 630, 16 GB 2400 DDR4 (CL15), Win10 Home, heavily NTLite'd. Now with GTX-1650 Super OC'd. Added a WD Blue M.2 for OS (PCIe 3), Apps, Temps and Video-In. 2 Monitors. A WD Blue SSD for outputs. (SATA III.)

CubeAce wrote on 7/30/2021, 3:29 PM

@pmikep

Hi Mike.

In this instance 'Tea' refers to my evening meal as opposed to lunch for midday 😃.

Nothing actually 'stops for a tea break' in this house. Nor do we have set times for a 'Brew'. Tea (the drink) is also normally made with tea bags in a mug. We do have a 'Tea set' but rarely use it except for visitors.

Can't say I've had any emails either Mike although my subscription doesn't expire until next year.

I think Aesop's Fables (Greek) are common to most English based tales, so yes we have a version of The boy Who Cried Wolf.

I doubt if a new version of MEP will be offered until the majority of bugs in VPX 13 are fixed Mike.

I would still love to know what components they used to test VPX 13 with to come to the conclusion it was fit for release or what type of project they tried to put together to satisfy that the internal components worked with each other.

We know even less why Vegas and Magix hadn't got to communicating with each other earlier as this MS18 business seems even more rushed and last minute. At least from the Magix side of things. I did look at both sites to see what job vacancies there were a few weeks back and there were a lot so I'm assuming a shortage of staff has added to the problems.

Ray.

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Windows 10 Enterprise. Version 22H2 OS build 19045.5737

Direct X 12.1 latest hardware updates for Western Digital hard drives.

Asus ROG STRIX Z390-F Gaming motherboard Rev 1.xx with Supreme FX inboard audio using the S1220A code. Driver No 6.0.8960.1 Bios version 1401

Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU with Intel UHD 630 Graphics .Driver version Graphics Driver 31.0.101.2135 for 7th-10th Gen Intel® with 64GB of 3200MHz Corsair DDR4 ram.

1000 watt EVGA modular power supply.

1 x 250GB Evo 970 NVMe: drive for C: drive backup 1 x 1TB Sabrent NVMe drive for Operating System / Programs only. 1X WD BLACK 1TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives.1 for internal projects, 1 for Library clips/sounds/music/stills./backup of working projects. 1x500GB SSD current project only drive, 2x WD RED 2TB drives for latest footage storage. Total 31TB of 10 external WD drives for backup.

ASUS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 12GB. nVidia Studio driver version 572.60 - 3584xCUDA cores Direct X 12.1. Memory interface 192bit Memory bandwidth 360.05GB/s 12GB of dedicated GDDR6 video memory, shared system memory 16307MB PCi Express x8 Gen3. Two Samsung 27" LED SA350 monitors with 5000000:1 contrast ratios at 60Hz.

Running MMS 2024 Suite v 23.0.1.182 (UDP3) and VPX 14 - v20.0.3.180 (UDP3)

M Audio Axiom AIR Mini MIDI keyboard Ver 5.10.0.3507

VXP 14, MMS 2024 Suite, Vegas Studio 16, Vegas Pro 18, Vegas Pro 21,Cubase 4. CS6, NX Studio, Mixcraft 9 Recording Studio. Mixcraft Pro 10 Studio. CS6 and DXO Photolab 8, OBS Studio.

Audio System 5 x matched bi-wired 150 watt Tannoy Reveal speakers plus one Tannoy 15" 250 watt sub with 5.1 class A amplifier. Tuned to room with Tannoy audio application.

Ram Acoustic Studio speakers amplified by NAD amplifier.

Rogers LS7 speakers run from Cambridge Audio P50 amplifier

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